I feel like I’m in such a minority of people who think DST is great.
No. I don’t like spring forward, but fall back gets me a nice boost as suddenly the sun comes up an 8 am rather than 9.
It’s winter. The sun is going to set at either four or five (where I live, it’s certainly worse other places and better others). You’re not getting daylight after work. It’s winter.
I don’t care which one we go with, but pick one and stick with it.
Do you really not like “fall back”?
You kinda need the back and forth or the work day start will drift whichever way.
That’s one of my major thoughts in favor of DST.
Edit: let me clarify. I’ll copy a better response:
It’s about the change being important.
If we stay on a single “time” (say standard work day starts at 4 hours before solar noon), we’ll drift the work time to start/end the work day at some appropriate time.
The issue is that what that time is that most socially useful changes greatly over the year unless you live close to the equator.
Then let employers shift hours or start times if they rely on daylight. Nothing that comes from DST is useful enough to be universally mandatory.
or the work day start will drift whichever way
What? I don’t follow.
It’s about the change being important.
If we stay on a single “time” (say standard work day starts at 4 hours before solar noon), we’ll drift the work time to start/end the work day at some appropriate time.
The issue is that what that time is that most socially useful changes greatly over the year unless you live close to the equator.
I don’t know where you work, but I go in at 8:00 EST. Every day. If we didn’t change the clocks, I’d still be going in at 8:00 EST.
Why would the workday start drift?
Because people would start showing up earlier or later depending on whether we decide solar noon is 12:00 or 1:00.
Because it really just doesn’t matter. If you want to wake up earlier - wake up earlier - but why do I need to fuck with the literal time twice a year, it takes me a week to get back to normal for zero reward.
I have small kids whose sleep schedule is delicate and last change took us a week to recover from. It’s a needless, counterproductive, inherited tradition. I didn’t mind the change when it was just me, but it’s a lot of needless stress now. Also apparently, it causes accidents
Apparently cardiac events increase in the week following a time change as well.
Yeah. That’s because of the cold.
If you had said pedestrian deaths, you would have had a solid argument.
I’ve been a software engineer for eight-ish years. No matter the industry or company I work for, a few times a year I encounter some arcane bug that turns out to be caused by dst or time zones or freaking leap seconds or clocks going backwards somehow. If I had my way we would all just be on GMT.
UTC for the win
Let’s keep the normal time all year round. If you think the sun rises or sets att the wrong time, change your routine, not the time
I don’t care if we use DST or not, just pick one and stick with it. There’s no convincing reason to change time twice a year. The places that don’t do it are completely fine and there’s not any scientific reason it’s necessary.
Because the trade off isn’t worth it.
While it’s nice having extra sunshine in the morning or evening depending on the time of year, it is quite disruptive, especially with kids and working with teams across timezones etc.
But more importantly, people actually die from it. Consistently, and predictably. I can’t in good conscience support a policy which is merely “nice” for me but will literally cause other people to die.
I think it just comes down to whether you appreciate more sunlight before school/work, or after.
I don’t really care how much sun there is before 8:30-ish. In fact, I hate when I try to get 1 more hour of sleep and I can’t b/c early dawn’s leaking in, so I actually prefer a later sunrise.
But when I leave work, I freaking LOVE bathing in sunlight for as long as I can, thinking “my biggest responsibilities of the day are done, and the day’s not even over yet”.
Where I’m from, standard time in winter means 6ish is pitch black - I prefer to at least have late dusk by that time.
I envy you. On the shortest days we have sunset 16-ish. Fucking sucks
no need to change the clocks for anything other than traveling to another time zone. it’s cool an all that you get another hour of sleep, but that’s for one day. switch the time forward of back cahses more harm to people’s circadian rhythms than anything else. there’s seasons and there’s more darkness during winter. we lived without day lights before before the Great War and it was done away with after the war was over, but for some reason it stayed around after WWII. in my mind it just needlessly adds complications to the already complex way of life and we should be actively working that reduce that complexity.
to people’s circadian rhythms
it also causes a conflict between human time-schedule and animals like pets, livestock, and other cared for animals
Animals don’t know and don’t care for a clock change. They work with bio-rhythm and familiarization alone. (We humans do too, but put the time-schedule on top, and have to have our bio-rhythm adjust.)
It is all about having more end of day daylight hours in places where winter daylight is in short supply. For a lot of people it means a much healthier lifestyle with an evening walking habit they lose because of the dark.
I’ve ridden a bike in the evening most days for the last 15 years. I have no problem ridding after dark. I find it slightly harder to stay motivated on the shortest winter days but I manage. However the number of people that were regularly on the trails walking and running drops by an order of magnitude. I switch it up and ride earlier a few days a month from November to February, and I don’t see regular people out then. There are a lot of people that develop solid habits for a year that then lose them because of a time change that was made for the industrial era’s corporate interests.
The only thing I will miss is that extra hour for astronomy on the roof with a telescope. The USA needs all the health help it can possibly get though.
Completely depends on where you live. Each time zone has a “center line” where the sun is at it’s highest point at exactly 12:00. The farther east of this line you live, the more “natural” will DST be.
Handling time series with DST can be hell in data sciences or sensors
I have a couple of “smart” things I didn’t have at the last change, and it turns out I need to change the timezone on them manually. Argh! Just pick a timezone and stick with it - it’ll make everyone’s life simpler.
Agreed.
Leap seconds are even worse. And time zones.
Thoae are for a different discussion, imo.
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I think the majority of people votes for DST is because “Summer” sounds better than “Winter”.
Relevant short video for german speakers by Space Frogs: https://youtube.com/shorts/oMHd2Ad_7iI
I just want a bit more light in the most depressing time of the year.
