TLDR: XFCE and Cinnamon devs are begging beginning to work on Wayland support.
The “TLDR” is sub heading is completely misleading. Cinnamon devs see they have to move, that’s the reason. “Begging to work” on Wayland is not at all what the article says. Before you downvote, read it. Nothing in that article or the link to one dev’s blog says anything even remotely like that.
I suspect it’s just an autocorrect typo for “beginning to work”.
I like that… I’ll take it. Thank you for putting it that way.
Beginning* yep sorry!
As a Debian XFCE user, I will gladly switch to Wayland when it is available.
Why not just install the Cinnamon desktop when it becomes wayland ready?
XFCE wants to be Wayland ready with XFCE 4.20, which should be released near the end of 2024. Cinnamon wants to have Wayland as default by 2026. So, in theory at least, XFCE should be Wayland-ready before Cinnamon.
Have a happy 4.20!
Look up who had his birthday at 4/20 (American style, so 20th April) and we’ll see if you’re still praising the number. It’s associated with more than just drugs.
What is it associated with? For me, it’s just the time when the stoners smoke the weed, because at that time no one bothers or mind if you are high. And weed is a drug, as coffee and your PC addictions could be. Alcohol is a worse drug, so.
more than just drugs
On plural? How many more drugs it is about? XD I thought it was just weed…
I have a step-grandfather who is for some reason proud to be born on the same day as fucking hitler. It’s hitler’s birthday.
Well I didn’t know about that and it’s very disgusting…
Good. X11 has not been properly maintained and shouldn’t be the default for any distro. (Xorg, whatever.)
At least the Mint devs are being realistic on the time span needed for Wayland to have a chance at working for everyone, unlike Fedora, KDE, and Gnome that are jumping the gun.
Jumping the gun? It’s been working mostly without issue for most people for years now.
just this month I had multiple wayland issues forcing me to switch to an x11 session
Since we’re going with anecdotal evidence, I’ve been using Wayland daily for over a year and haven’t had any issues related to it
Ok
Personally X11 is unusably buggy and janky. Just a clearly inferior experience.
While maybe sometimes buggy, at least things run. I’m all for modernization, but if there are compatibility problems with recent software, I’m not OK with it being declared “the better, mature standard thing everybody should now use”.
If you ignore all the things where it doesn’t.
Could say the same about X. To me X seems pretty broken and unstable.
If nobody does that, nobody will be using Wayland to report issues.
Wayland works pretty well, especially on GNOME. It’s good they did the jump, X11 poses unacceptable security risks for the current time.
Cinnamon and XFCE are outliers in that they try to be super stable, “complete” desktops, compared to GNOME and KDE that try to be bleeding edge and packed with new and changing features.
Benefits to both, but I can respect why Cinnamon and XFCE have been slow to adopt Wayland (to a fault, many would argue)
Keep in mind their time line is like 2 years.
Oh so in about that time Wayland will finally be able to fulfill simple UX expectations like, say, global shortcuts?
I was going to say “Wayland is still not ready, not all apps are compatible and needs more time”… so good they planned it in 2 years, I’m sure all apps will be compatible with Wayland then, or they will not be deserved to be used anymore. 🤣 hahaha, Wayland is amazing. Wayland is the way!
Is that satire? Wayland is pretty great, and there isn’t really a concept of “compatible app” as Xwayland handles that.
Obviously apps that perform X functions directly (clipboard managers, screen recorders, etc.) will need to be ported or rewritten, as it’s a brand new display manager, but that would be the case with any non-X platform.
Well I use a lot an app that isn’t compatible with Wayland, they already said they will work with that so if they take much longer I will just need to find an alternative… that I’m sure there will be one. I want to use Wayland because yeah, it’s great, and I love using it, but I can’t as the app I use daily isn’t compatible. I suppose not everyone uses the same apps… And that’s also why I said I will stop using it if they don’t start with the support to Wayland. 🙂
Which application?
Synergy 3 - https://symless.com/synergy
Check the input leap project. While I haven’t tested it myself, Wayland support got added like a year ago. You still needed to rebuild some packages, but reading the issue tracker now it seems to have gone a long way.
Unfortunately it is still not considered production ready. At this point I assume they will have it implemented and ready way before synergy though.
I read this:
Project goals
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… We will also have our eye on Wayland when the time comes.Seems they still aren’t compatible with Wayland… that’s why I said if in 2 years none of they still don’t support Wayland… I’m sure there will be another tool (“Barrier” for example) that supports it and will be the time to move on to another software.
Yeah, as mentioned earlier: that is an application that directly works with X to interact with the mouse cursor. It needs to be updated or rewritten. No alternative to that, I’m afraid.
@Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone commented that the Input Leap Project (a fork from Barrier from the active developers) already supports Wayland (I still need to mess with it). And Synergy (I think) uses Barrier, or it’s a Barrier fork also. So I will need to switch to Input Leap if I want to use it right now with Wayland! 🙂
devs are begging
Do you mean beginning?
OP: “did I fucking stutter?!”
Yup! my bad!
It could be begging if they’re not the ones in control of the steering.
How did Mint fuck up year-based version numbering? I did a fresh install on a laptop this year and briefly worried project had died.
It’s not actually based on the year. There have been 21 other major releases at various intervals starting with 1.0 in 2006. It just happens to be close to the current year right now.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The creators of Linux Mint and the Cinnamon desktop are experimenting with the Wayland protocol – and so is the original developer of Xfce.
Normally, the project’s experimental repository, codenamed “Romeo,” is private, and code is only opened to the public once it reaches beta test stage.
Cinnamon 6.0, planned for Mint 21.3 this year, will feature experimental Wayland support, but he warns folks not to expect too much at this early stage:
It was the first release that defaulted to the then-new Unity desktop, and at the time, the Reg didn’t rate it very highly.
As his new blog reveals, so is Red Hat developer Olivier Fourdan, who has been working on a rootful mode for XWayland.
What is possibly more interesting is that Monsieur Fourdan has a previous claim to fame: he is the original author of the Xfce desktop, which he started building way back in 1996, as he mentions in this 2009 interview.
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Wayland has been great on Debian stable after swapping to an AMD graphics card
I’ve had good experiences with Wayland on nVidia too. KDE has a rock solid Wayland implementation.
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Is is possible to overclock Nvidia cards using Wayland or xwayland?
No idea on the overclocking front I’m afraid.