The objective of a UBI is to make sure that everyone has enough to obtain housing and food, and you cant ignore that there will still be a small but significant portion of the community who once these basic needs are met will do as little as possible.
In Australia we have social security for the jobless and I know people who grew up in this cycle of who are 3rd generation of little to no employment, many of them are borderline unemployable and it creates small borderline slums where drugs, alcoholism and theft in surrounding areas are rampant. Now I’m not saying that the UBI will make this worse, but I also dont see how it can possibly make it better. It could even make it worse by providing literally no pressure to break the cycle.
And that any discussion on UBI also has to involve the unpleasant realities not just the large advantages.
It’s obviously a tradeoff, but there will be enough people to do the necessary work anyway, even with UBI, and no one else should feel pressured to do work to survive.
And if you look, I never argued that point. Ive never argued against the UBI. People are replying and making arguments against points I didnt make.
Someone was saying “People would do nothing” someone called bullshit, I said that there would be a “significant percentage” who would do nothing. (which I could have phrased better, “small but not insignificant” would have been better) because you already see this behavior in countries with social security from a section of the population and I was told to do my research.
I support a UBI, Ive never argued against a UBI but it has issues that need to be acknowledged, addressed or overcome if its ever going to become a reality. Pretending that it doesnt solves nothing, just makes you look like an idiot to anyone who genuinely opposes the idea.
With how advanced the current technology is, people are actually no longer need to work in order to survive or have basic necessities. But artificial pressure were created so people have to help amassing the wealth for billionaires/corporates.
Sure, there might be some people who’re want to do nothing and live in as a lowest class without anything other than basic necessity but there would be very small amount of them as human usually strive for the better QoL. And we also shouldn’t just let people die if they don’t want to work. If they want to be at the bottom of the society, just let them be. “You have to work in order to survive”-Age actually should have ended long ago if not for the severe inequality issue we’re having.
Yes, it won’t solve EVERY problem but it wil solve MANY problems and there aren’t many downside to it other than billionaires having lower number in their bank accounts.
And drugs, alcholism, and theft issues weren’t caused by being jobless, it caused by many issues like lacking proper education, bad upbringing, security issues, and being penniless.
Also alcoholism problem among the poor is actually a cognitive bias. According to the statistics, middle class has more alcoholism issues than the lower class
That the UBI wont solve EVERY problem.
The objective of a UBI is to make sure that everyone has enough to obtain housing and food, and you cant ignore that there will still be a small but significant portion of the community who once these basic needs are met will do as little as possible.
In Australia we have social security for the jobless and I know people who grew up in this cycle of who are 3rd generation of little to no employment, many of them are borderline unemployable and it creates small borderline slums where drugs, alcoholism and theft in surrounding areas are rampant. Now I’m not saying that the UBI will make this worse, but I also dont see how it can possibly make it better. It could even make it worse by providing literally no pressure to break the cycle.
And that any discussion on UBI also has to involve the unpleasant realities not just the large advantages.
It’s obviously a tradeoff, but there will be enough people to do the necessary work anyway, even with UBI, and no one else should feel pressured to do work to survive.
And if you look, I never argued that point. Ive never argued against the UBI. People are replying and making arguments against points I didnt make.
Someone was saying “People would do nothing” someone called bullshit, I said that there would be a “significant percentage” who would do nothing. (which I could have phrased better, “small but not insignificant” would have been better) because you already see this behavior in countries with social security from a section of the population and I was told to do my research.
I support a UBI, Ive never argued against a UBI but it has issues that need to be acknowledged, addressed or overcome if its ever going to become a reality. Pretending that it doesnt solves nothing, just makes you look like an idiot to anyone who genuinely opposes the idea.
With how advanced the current technology is, people are actually no longer need to work in order to survive or have basic necessities. But artificial pressure were created so people have to help amassing the wealth for billionaires/corporates.
Sure, there might be some people who’re want to do nothing and live in as a lowest class without anything other than basic necessity but there would be very small amount of them as human usually strive for the better QoL. And we also shouldn’t just let people die if they don’t want to work. If they want to be at the bottom of the society, just let them be. “You have to work in order to survive”-Age actually should have ended long ago if not for the severe inequality issue we’re having. Yes, it won’t solve EVERY problem but it wil solve MANY problems and there aren’t many downside to it other than billionaires having lower number in their bank accounts.
And drugs, alcholism, and theft issues weren’t caused by being jobless, it caused by many issues like lacking proper education, bad upbringing, security issues, and being penniless. Also alcoholism problem among the poor is actually a cognitive bias. According to the statistics, middle class has more alcoholism issues than the lower class