Muslim and Arab Americans say their support was critical to Biden’s winning Michigan in 2020. Some warn they won’t back him again over his blanket support for Israel.
Muslim and Arab Americans say their support was critical to Biden’s winning Michigan in 2020. Some warn they won’t back him again over his blanket support for Israel.
Wonder what they think Trump would have done differently.
Seriously. Trump is advocating turning Gaza into a parking lot.
And it’s not like Democrats have exactly been shy of their general support of Israel, if you’ve paid any attention at all. They just also happen to acknowledge that Palestinians are people, unlike most Republicans.
It’s possible to be angry at both Republicans and Democrats.
But you still must vote for the one likely to do you the least harm if you don’t want to get fucked. White Biden sucks he’s objectively better than Trump for Muslim Americans. Trump was talking about deporting and blocking them from entering.
Not everyone thinks from a position of harm reduction. If you see a president stand up and speak out in favor of (in your eyes) genocide then you may not react to that ”rationally".
If you’re protest voting on principle but not also joining more… radical… organizations that are actually working towards your desires, you’re just being foolish.
Lots of voters ate foolish. And there’s something to be said for the fact that voting for the lesser evil keeps evil in power. Not saying that’s me but I do understand the sentiment.
Which is why you either do something about it or suck it up and vote for the lesser.
Just don’t do nothing and then pretend you’re taking a stand.
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Sure, but that’s not the topic of the article, which is about not voting for Biden. I’m not Muslim and I think the blind support for Israel is super shitty too, but I’ll still be voting for Biden when the time comes without hesitation, because not voting and the opposition is worse.
I’m not convinced having a lost Roomba who utters racist bullshit and hands countries over to terrorist organizations is a good pick. If it’s Biden and Trump again, I am either not going to vote or go third party. I cannot in good conscience vote for either of them.
In a First Past the Post voting system, refusing to vote, or voting 3rd party, is numerically the same as an extra vote for the candidate you hate the most. It’s just one more vote closer to victory that your opposition gets.
Neither party is great, there’s plenty to dislike about both, but it’s patently obvious that one is far more harmful than the other.
Well it’s not really numerically the same as voting for the candidate you hate the most, it’s numerically the same as not voting. And to be honest, it really only matters if you’re in a potential swing state. And I’m saying this as someone who still votes despite having lived in a deep red state where my presidential vote always doesn’t matter (but I go anyway because down ballot votes do matter and I might as well vote the whole ballot).
Muslim population is significant in certain swing states.
I agree, any loss of votes in a swing state could theoretically be significant.
Same, but a blue state. It really doesn’t matter who I vote for, or if I vote at all, when it comes to the president. I can’t remember the last time I enjoyed voting for president, and I’ve voted for decades. I often think about just bowing out of the whole voting scam, but then there’s always local shit that gets me to do the deed.
In the sort of two-party system they have in the US, it really is one or the another
And yet they both do the shit they accuse the other side of.
The Republicans attempted a coup.
So since Trump exists, we should be happy with mediocrity? Nothing will ever get fixed in this country with this binary political system.
Well, geopolitics often go beyond party politics, or at least they should
Per the article. They do the protest vote.
And if that gets them Trump 2024, what do the smoothbrains think will improve for either Palestinians or Muslims in America?
Considering the guy is literally supporting deporting pro-Palestinian students, I think they’ve given it the typical amount of thought a modern theist gives anything.
That’s effectively a vote for whoever who hate most in the ticket. Not voting has consequences
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Well, as long as they can find a common group to oppress.
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They’ll find out what happens when you vote for the face eating leopards sooner or later.
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Grab em by the pussy?
Somehow he would have found a way to discriminate against all religions involved. He would have tried to make money from Israel over this situation and he would have stationed US troops in Gaza.
Assuming that an ascendant Trump means “US pro-Israeli jingoism but even more so”, just because of moving the embassy to Jerusalem and other such performative hot air, is a mistake. Trump is a wildcard with sympathies for the grand vision of destroying the post-WW2 liberal world order, even if he himself does not fully understand his complicity in that vision. He wants the USA to be reborn as ‘something greater’, and many actors on the world stage giddily cheer this on, correctly reasoning that in order to be reborn, first a thing has to die.
Think about this in the long term. Imagine a world shaped by, let’s say, twenty years of Trump and his legacy. Twenty years of “America first”. Does the story of Israel’s uneasy alliance with the western world really survive in that world? The MAGA wing of the Republican party goes exactly as far with “America first” as the Overton window allows them to. 10 years ago it was unthinkable for the GOP to shout, US aid out of Ukraine, let Russia have its sphere of influence, let us welcome the new multipolar world. Today it’s becoming the party line. How long until Israel is, too, more trouble than it is worth to these people? How long until it becomes a respected minority opinion in the GOP to say that Israel is a worthless hill to die on, it’s not the USA’s business to arbitrate in the far away Middle East and meddle in Iran’s rightful sphere of influence? Then a common opinion, then the party line? You think the crowd that bought into Bill Gates’ and George Soros’ vaccine microchipped Hollywood pedophile Lizardmen conspiracy would suddenly draw a line when their thought leaders wake up one day and all start shouting in orchestrated unison, “Hey! Have you ever noticed that Israel is controlled by (((globalist elites)))”?
Sure Trump talks a big game about antagonizing Muslims, but if you hate the current world order and how much it backs Israel, and want it destroyed and rebuilt, then Trump is an infinitely better bet than Biden. The Dems will never bow before Rashida Tlaib’s ideology that way the GOP has bowed and will bow before MTG’s.
Edit: evidently some “leftists” feel very uncomfortable being told that in many respects they and the die hard MAGA crowd want exactly the same thing.
You’re ascribing an awful lot of foresight and planning and purpose into their actions. Trump is, and was, anything but deliberate and goal-oriented beyond the myopic motivations of the moment. While the Republican party might some day possibly feel that Israel is in some vague form no longer to their benefit, they are vastly more motivated by a perceived Enemy. The Republicans, and Trump especially, will gravitate much more strongly toward “Blow up Palestine and nuke Iran if they get involved” than they will to “The current world order favors Israel, and we want to shake up the global status quo, so we’re pulling our support from Israel.”
They want a simple message with a clear enemy, that’s what brings out their voters, not vague ideas of world politics 3D chess.
You speak the truth. American politics has become way too tribal for anything to ever get done. People will do anything to avoid agreeing or considering the idea that they may agree with someone on the opposing team.
Are you serious? You Americans have a brain worm
The next election will likely be a choice between Biden and Trump. So you can either vote for Biden or decide that you don’t mind Trump wins.
And as a reminder Trump recognized Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, recognized the Golan heights as being part of Israel, had an Iranian general assassinated, and announced a peace plan which suggested the Israelis should be allowed to annex another 30% of the West Bank. In recent weeks, he’s been banging on about there being no better US ally than Israel and how if he’s elected Israel will be safer than ever.
You can be critical of Biden, but the republicans are religiously pro-Israel. They don’t give a shit about Palestinians. Biden is the better option.
It’s like all the idiots who make excuses for Hamas, because they’re unaware that for a long time Hamas was supported by Israel, and that by supporting terrorists they’re effectively undermining any chance of a Palestinian state.
Us Americans recall the Muslim ban, and the increase in hate crimes after 45 took office. There are no good answers and the protest vote only gets you the worst candidate elected. Do you prefer passive or active genocide?
Some americans make decisions on single issues instead of considering the full voting record and position of a candidate. Some even approve or disapprove for sillier reasons.
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