Trtworld is just Erdogan’s personal propaganda channel. Obviously this article is ok but I’m just saying
Obviously this article is ok
In what way is this article ok, “obviously”?
If you agree with an article it’s ok, even from a biased source.
The protests were real???
I haven’t really kept up with this, so this is a genuine question—why are people protesting in the US about something going on in another country? What is the goal?
Because the US provides tons of money and weapons to Israel, which are supposed to be used for self-defense but are now being used to mass murder Palestinians.
This, plus the fact that the US refuses to be even slightly critical of Israel, whether media or state.
Israel has a fascist stranglehold over United States domestic policy. It is illegal to boycott the state of Israel. They spend millions of the dollars we support them with to interfere with domestic US politics. The state of Israel is an enemy of the American people.
I’ve been wondering why the US supports Israel so much considering it doesn’t do much for anyone else outside of Western Europe if there isn’t a secondary gain. Do you have any readings on these claims?
Not handy tonight, I am just very engaged with electoral politics and this is the conclusion I’ve reached after earning a degree in political science followed by 10 years of observations.
I wrote this comment in two sittings because I have too many responsibilities. Start with the wikipedia page for history of Israel. The unspoken answer to why the US supports Israel so much despite the lack of secondary gains is largely a consequence of Allied strategy going back to world war 1, but most of the geopolitical world except for the far east played a role in what Israel is today.
It is critically important to remember a few things.
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that the anti Jewish progroms in the long lead up to the Holocaust first reached critical mass in the old Russian empire.
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the Soviets betrayed Hitler eventually but they started WW2 on the side of the Reich and are still (lmao) not commonly considered an “allied” power the way other more anglo countries would fraternize.
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Any would-be elders who survived the Holocaust and would speak authoritatively (subjective relative to the Israeli government) out from within Israel against the palestinean genocide are long dead by now and the Netanyahu administration is completely surrounded by yes men and weapons that they don’t deserve access to.
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and TL;DR; The history of the region called Israel, Judea, Palestine, Levant… Whatever you want to call it, the land is completely soaked in blood going back for thousands of years and the United States of America has an enormous ego when it comes to world war 2, what it meant and what price the allies paid to stop the Holocaust.
I blame religion.
I reckon it was Hitler that betrayed the Soviets, rather than the other way around.
Ahh, that makes sense. Thank you! and good luck with your political science interests 🙂
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Thanks for the reply, I understand now.
Yeah, no. If they were mass murdering Palestinians, this would look completely different.
It could. Not every ethnic cleansing has to be a Shoah for it to be bad
The goal is to influence the government to respond in a certain way, protests are a faster and more direct way to show support than sending letters and voting
what’s like living in your world?
Probably about the same as everyone else’s
The American left has two sets of morals when it comes to fascists. They generally are against fascists, sometimes even violently, but Islamist fascists (like Hamas who control Palestine) seem to be ok for some reason. Sure, they say that they “of course are against Hamas committing terrorist attacks” but it’s a completely empty sentiment with no actions to back it.
Here we are talking about living human beings and how they are treated. No one is talking about left or right. People are outraged by the continuous deterioration of the living conditions in a part of the world, that is controlled by Israel. Palestine is for a long time being turned into a open air prison camp, and turned 80% of its 2.3Mln population to rely on humanitarian aid. And if you find this OK, maybe you should seriously question your moral compass!
I don’t think that anyone is here defending Hamas, or rejecting that what they did is outrageous. But people are just not okay with what Israel is doing either, which can amount to blatantly committing systematic war crimes. Violence is never the answer and would only radicalize people on both sides of the fence.
I won’t even comment on how many hate crimes have been committed against Palestinians by the settlers or the 6-year old Muslim boy who was stabbed 26 times just now in the US.
I don’t think there is a group on earth which had as many hate crimes committed against them like the Jews. I wonder why you don’t care?
So according to your logic this should serve them as an excuse to do the same to other nations/people.
Is that why they beheaded babies, paraded naked women before/after raping/killing them, targeted civilian congregations and killed them without warning? Wait.
The Hamas attacks were barbaric and horrific. Israel giving 1 million+ people 24 hours to leave or risk being destroyed in a bombing campaign while cutting off access to food, water, and fuel is barbaric and horrific. There is such thing as nuance, but it doesn’t take very much critical thinking to recognize that both Israel and Hamas are commiting atrocities.
It serves Israel for Hamas to exist. Everything Hamas does leads to the death of Palestinians more than Israelis.
And everything they don’t do changes nothing, they’re slowly dying and have been for a while now. Their public image changed nothing, and it wasn’t about to.
How does it serve Israel for Hamas to exist if it wants to eliminate them?
It wants to eliminate Palestinians, not Hamas. Hamas is the villain they use to justify their genocide.
A WW1 era military could level the Gaza Strip with WW1 era munitions. Arguing that Israel, with a fully modern military and munitions system, is trying to genocide Gazans but just can’t for some reason is arguing that Israel’s military is the most incompetent military to ever have existed.
The reason they can’t just level Gaza is that when the dust clears they need to be seen as the good guys. Think for just one second, even if it hurts.
After an event, proportionally the size of 44 9/11s I think they could get away with anything really.
So, why does Palestine still house and hold a high opinion over Hamas? A terrorist group just lives over there in Gaza Strip and Palestine doesn’t lift a finger to get rid of them.
Give people better options if you want them to make better choices.
To you, me, and many of us, they’re a terrorist group, but to those who get stepped on by the Zionist for decades, who have their home bombed, who land got stolen, who families and relatives got killed, they are their only hope.
To you, me, and many of us, they’re a terrorist group
To all of the groups that matter, they are a terrorist group.
but to those who get stepped on by the Zionist for decades, who have their home bombed, who land got stolen, who families and relatives got killed, they are their only hope.
Then they aren’t living as a government that deserves statehood. If a terrorist group is the one leading the country, that becomes the definition of that country.
To all of the groups that matter, they are a terrorist group.
good way to say “they deserved to be wiped out, innocent or not”, which isn’t something shocking coming from war criminal apologist.
If a terrorist group is the one leading the country, that becomes the definition of that country.
Just like War mongering state of America and War Criminal state of Israel?
Hamas isn’t their hope. If they were lead by a peaceful and sane govermant, instead of terrorists, Gaza would’ve looked so much better today.
Hamas doesn’t care about Gaza and it’s people, the leaders are corrupt and living abroad, the money that’s meant for schools and services and infrastructure goes to their pockets or weapons, and the biggest prisoner of Hamas is Gaza itself.
Easy for you to type out such comment in your own comfortable chair, but for them, if Israel didn’t force them out of their own land and treat them like sub-human for decades, they won’t resort to rely on extremist.
Want them to make better decision? Give them their land back, pay reparation fee, rebuild their destroyed facilities, in return disband and deradicalize. It took decades for a lot of wartorn country to get back on their feet and it’s no difference here. If you truly think Israel can wipe out Hamas with their bombs and violent, then you must’ve missed what happened to Afghanistan.
Afghanistan was actually doing much better than it was under Taliban control. Women had rights, and weren’t living in fear. Reforms were happening. The whole country was moving in a positive direction.
Until Trump fucked all of that up and made a deal with the Taliban to regain control again.
Israel definitely could have treated palastinians better, but not in matters of land… Israel didn’t force them out of their land. It was founded legally and went on to win territory in wars in which it was the defender and offered innocents to stay and gain citizenship.
Later on, the palastinians didn’t agree to several 2 state proposals which Israel did agree to, thus relinquishing again the keys to their own future.
Israel invested and invests into their infrastructure, which they don’t manage well usually, like the water treatment plans Israel transfered to them when exiting Gaza.
Afghanistan’s story is not the same as that of Hamas and will not end the same, I hope as many innocent people of either side come out on top and have a chance at a peaceful future, with Hamas buried and gone.
Gaza and Israel could normallize relations and Gaza could prosper.
They are their hope? By mudding over 1’000 innocent people? Well, looks like they fucked up. But I assume this is what Hamas wanted to begin with, since they don’t care about Palestinians at all.
Yep. Two group need to cease to exists for this war to end, Hamas and the Zionist. Both group goal is to eradicate each other, kinda like that two giant from Xenoblade Chronicle.
Except the only real guilty party there is Zanza, and they do end up living peacefully with each other once Zanza is removed.
Hamas is Zanza.
Hamas are the only group that can stop this, yet here we are, they do not even release the hostages! Israel could only stop this if they are destroyed. The same way Ukraine can not end the war with Russia, only Russia can do that.
Why did Israeli police do nothing to stop the increasing violence perpetrated by illegal Israeli Settlers attacking Palestinians, of which Palestinian police are forbidden to react to? Their cops aren’t allowed to do anything, their illegal occupants cops won’t do anything, and the majority of Israeli Jews say they dont want Palestinians to have the right to vote if they annex Gaza. A minority of Israelis support a two state solution.
It’s not like Israel has been trying to play ball with them.
Why are there still Kahanites in Israel’s government?
Also, get rid of Hamas with what. Are you going to give them weapons to do it?
They’re in an open-air prison. They don’t house anybody.
I don’t know if you noticed but it’s been more than 24 hours since they said that and they’re still letting them evacuate. Time to retire that talking point.
Sure. Except “letting them evacuate” in this case is better characterized as “continuing to expel them from their homes under threat of violence.” I’m not arguing the 24 hour time period is the atrocity, I’m arguing the act of creating a humanitarian crisis under the auspices of a military campaign effort is abhorrent.
It’s not like we don’t have any good reporting on the matter either. The BBC for example has already been attacked because they refused to declare Hamas as terrorists (a label I agree with, for the record). [This article](BBC News - Khan Younis: A Gaza city on its knees, now with a million mouths to feed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67116403) provides some insight into the absolute horror regular Palestinians are going through right now.
When Israel declared war, what do you think that meant exactly?
It meant they’re gonna finish their 60 year genocide, duh.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Both sides have done wrong. Isreal has attacked ambulances unprovoked. Hamas attacked Isreal at a music fest. Isreal retaliated by attacking schools and hospitals (aka, people that had nothing to do with said attack) Isreal has been subjugating Gaza to sub-human conditions for 20+ years. The attack on the music fest isn’t justified but it is understandable.
Again. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded … - CNN https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html
You are falling for the propaganda friend.
Is that suitable justification of a genocide? That some people of a ethnic group committed heinous terrorist acts? How many people individuals can condemn an entire race of people? 1, 5, 2000, 10,000?
I don’t think any babies were beheaded
Seems that one might be a mistake. But the rest isn’t, instead they did things like tie children and then shoot them.
That’s not what was confirmed. Not all of the 40 murdered babies (from one village) were beheaded. At least one was.
oh? do you have a reliable source for that?
The original source i24 didn’t claim 40 beheadings. It claimed 40 deaths some beheadings.
so how many children do you have proof were beheaded
Woah if you didn’t include the two item, one cannot and refused to be confirmed to the point that White House have to issue a statement saying they just “heard” from the Israel Authority, and one you’re so undecided which is which, i’d thought you’re talking about Israel.
Israel parades dead people, let alone innocent ones, through town with a cheering crowd?
She is still alive.
The girl paraded on a truck lying motionless, her face down, with her legs completely mangled up, while kids were spitting on her?
From her mother. But it won:t be long because, as we all know, Gaza is being bombed indiscriminately.
That’s a relief, despite her current state. I really hope she gets sent back home asap
Hey, she wan’t alive after all…
Yeah 😢
The only party interested in genocide is Hamas. And Iran.
Where did u get this stupid fucking idea?
Reality…
Hm. They’re not very good at it then.
Looks like Israel is way better at genocide.
Hamas is doing 100% of what it can. And thankfully yeah, they’re not very good at it (well, recently they had a pretty horrific success).
Israel on the other hand isn’t anywhere near operating at capacity.
Ridiculous notion.
Palastinians can even get work permits and enter Israel.
