You must log in or # to comment.
Stop mentioning Hillary. She’s old news. She’s as relevant to 2023 politics as hunter biden.
No kidding, I don’t know why she feels the need to insert herself in this year’s politics with this super divisive “cult deprogramming” language/narrative. Not that a lot of folks don’t need to step down from the rhetoric of violence and demagoguery that’s a big part of MAGA, they absolutely, do… but seriously, Hillary, you are such an unnecessary bull in the china shop on this right now. Bringing the temperature down and bringing people together just isn’t something her presence in this debate is going to accomplish.
She shares the blame for Trump being elected. She campaigned shittily and she was a shitty candidate. The DNC conspiracy to prop her up as the chosen nominee is also to blame.
Those elements combined with Obama hate from Trumptards and the Russian propaganda all over social media produced the result we got.
She campaigned shittily and she was a shitty candidate.
That literally IS Russian propaganda.
No, it really isn’t. She repeatedly made comments that upset me. Every time I listened to her speak it made me not want to vote. She refused to take any real stances on issues I cared about other than bland platitudes. Whatever the opposite of “get out the vote” is what she did.
It’s not Russian propaganda that she was a terrible, unlikable candidate. I know myself and a half dozen people who voted for her and hated doing it.
What, anything short of just absolute love for her campaign and candidacy is propaganda?
She made some serious mistakes in her campaign, and even before that she was probably the most divisive Democrat in the country - she was a poor choice for that reason alone if nothing else. They were banking on people voting for her on a combination of “first female president” and “Trump is a buffoon”. And if you don’t think the DNC made moves to explicitly prop her up as a candidate regardless of the primary vote I’d point you to my state.
In my state, she got about 35% of the primary vote and Sanders got over half (Sanders even won in every single county, it’s not like they won different parts of the state or something). A local attorney who ran as a protest candidate got a quarter as many primary votes as Hillary Clinton. So from the vote Sanders got 18 delegates and Clinton got 11. Which means she only got one more delegate from my state than Sanders did. Because superdelegates. Literally all the superdelegates for the state went to Clinton, and that was one more delegate than Sanders got for only having a bit more than half the vote.
Because of superdelegates, she would only ever need around 30% of the primary vote to win in any state. And superdelegates in several states pre-declaring they would vote for Clinton acted to depress the Sanders vote.
WHAT??? ARE YOU SAYING CROWNING HER THE VITCTOR BEFORE VOTING EVEN STARTED SUPPRESSED OPPOSITION TURN OUT??? Never, blasphemy you are a disgusting Bernie bro obviously. Must be sexist for not wanting the first female president. It was her turn.
In all seriousness I’d love to vote for a woman. Just give me one with some integrity and a real platform please. I would of gladly voted for Warren as white toast as she is. She at least has some real stances I agree with.
She’s arrogant. Simple as.
Well, did she insert herself here or did someone do it for her for clickbait
Probably because she’s not planning on running so she can say what she really thinks without giving a fuck about whether it offends some people’s delicate sensibilities?
Came in here to say basically this. The fact that they used Hilary as the image for this articles headline killed any credibility instantly. She is not relevant and hasn’t been since she lost. There is zero positives to bringing her up. Unless you want an example of exactly how not to run a presidential campaign.
I just clicked because I wanted to be sure she wasn’t running in 2024
What? You mean to say it isn’t her turn?
Let’s get someone under 50.
Best I can do is 69.
I saw the link was from Salon.com… as relevant to politics as TMZ is to climate change.
The thumbnail with her in it made sure I wasn’t going to open the article. Her bullshit backroom campaign from the primaries through the election gave Trump the Oval Office.
Yes let’s all continue ignoring the people who were warned us about the dangers of a Trump presidency.
Surely she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Also she is not wrong.
But you know fake internet points on a reddit knock off matter more, apparently.
Literally everyone with half a fucking brain knew Trump would be terrible. The fact that she was so unlikable and ran such a bad campaign that people didn’t bother to show up and vote for her tells you everything. She needs to shut the fuck up, and disappear.
The mere sight of her face makes me not want to vote Democrat. I never was one, and her attempts to shame me into voting for her only made me think about that more. The “big tent party” needs more than fear mongering to win elections. I don’t really care for Joe Biden either, but I didn’t feel ill voting for him. He didn’t tell me I owed it to him, that I had to vote for him or I was deplorable. He at least said a few things that made me want to vote.
I’m not saying she’s wrong. I’m saying she’s irrelevant at this point. if for some reason you don’t like this social network, you should go back to Reddit
The biggest thing that I can see that needs to be done would be shutting down “news” organizations like FOX News, OAN, and Newsmax. Also, breaking up online movements like Q where blatant misinformation is spread as if it’s proven truth.
Now, HOW you do that without massive first amendment violations, I don’t know. You would also need to be careful how it’s structured because that could easily be used to shut down anyone left of center should a Republicans take the presidency/control Congress.
Gotta look at that right wing radio cabal also
Since that is over actual airwaves, reinstating the Fairness Doctrine would fix that very fast.
Extend FCC regs and licensing to cable and streaming services while we’re at it.
Would be unconstitutional. That’s private property, not a limited public good, like radio spectrum.
You’d have to nationalize the US communications grid including private satellites. I’d actually not mind that if the US government didn’t have such a terrible record on privacy invasion to start with.
You’d have to nationalize the US communications grid including private satellites
No you don’t. Legislation to extend regulations to content doesn’t require ownership of the equipment. The FCC doesn’t own radio towers. It will absolutely require a constitutional amendment to clarify first amendment boundaries and protections, but we’re already talking about pie in the sky as is.
Edit: On the aside, I’d rather deal with the “privacy war” than the wild west insanity that is fox news, OAN, et al.
you do it with massive funding to public education for generations.
which is why massive first amendment violations are more likely
Shutting down Facebook would be huge. It’s a cesspool of propaganda.
A lot of social media and sites with algorithms are problematic. They tend to steer people to content that’s more and more radical in nature. You start out with innocuous stuff, but the more extreme the content, the bigger the reaction, and thus the algorithm will guide the user to more of that content. (Ryan George illustrated this perfectly: https://youtu.be/x1aZEz8BQiU?si=g3xw0tbDV-4vSyCH )
There’s no need to shut them down:
“The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that fairly reflected differing viewpoints. In 1987, the FCC abolished the fairness doctrine”
The problem, even if we reinstated this, is that this applied to broadcast only. This wouldn’t apply to cable channels. Neither would it apply to Internet groups. Both of those would still be free to spout full blown lies and conspiracy theories dressed up as “news.”
It would definitely need updating to include cable, things have changed a lot since 1987. As for the internet, I don’t see how that could be enforced other than to classify sites as publishers and make them liable for the content they host.
The entire legal basis for it was the notion that the FCC was entitled to regulate the radio spectrum because it’s a scarce resource. The FCC has no authority to regulate cable or the Internet.
I have a hard time taking this article seriously. I don’t understand why it feels the need to tout HC so fiercely. I guess she was right about “deplorables” but everyone else was correct in pegging her as an out of touch elite. The DNC’s inability to back candidates that can help working class people continually emboldens right-wing extremists. It’s not hard to see how the Dems’ center-right stances open the door for far-right reactions. Yes, they are deplorables but HC is not one of the good guys.
Republicans are programmed due to their echo chambers. People who don’t even follow the news have been shown to be more informed than Republicans who watch and listen to conservative media.
Just curious, do you think the programming due to echo chambers applies to Democrats as well?
I think it’s pretty obvious one side is operating totally outside of reality where the other is not. Are democrats peddling stolen election lies and denying the existence of COVID?
There is a definite difference in magnitude / severity but there is a similarity in partisan thinking.
Many on “the left” still believe Trump coordinated with Russia in his election for example. And that Russia was instrumental in that win.
And I keep seeing"the left" talking punishing people for protected speech, etc.
Pretending one side is “virtuous” and fighting the “pure evil” of the other side is an attribute of both sides.
Partisanship doesn’t like nuance. As indicated by all the down votes I’m about to receive.
Many on “the left” still believe Trump coordinated with Russia in his election for example. And that Russia was instrumental in that win.
2020:
The Senate Intelligence Committee has released the final report from its bipartisan investigation into Moscow’s interference in the 2016 U.S. election.
The committee spent more than three years working on it, investigating Russia’s interference, as you said, in the 2016 election. They reviewed more than a million documents, documents that were provided by U.S. spy agencies as well as documents that were provided by witnesses. They also interviewed witnesses - hundreds of them, including a lot of familiar names - Donald Trump Jr., former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort but also former Obama administration officials.
And all of that digging has gone into this report, and the committee concludes that Russia conducted a sophisticated and aggressive campaign to influence the U.S. election to help Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton and that folks on Team Trump were more than happy to accept help from the Russians. But what’s really important about that conclusion is that it is a bipartisan one. It is endorsed by both Democrats and Republicans.
This report is, to a large extent, something that reaches the same conclusion that Mueller did on the question of Russia’s interference. And the committee didn’t draw a conclusion on whether the Trump campaign conspired or colluded with Russia. What the committee did instead was lay out the facts that they found and then kind of leave it to the reader to make up their own mind. Some committee Republicans, in an annex to the report, declared that there was no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded. Democratic members, in contrast, called Russia’s actions and the Trump team’s openness to them, quote, “one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats in modern American history.”
(Emphasis mine)
It’s not that far-fetched at all to think that the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia in 2016.
If you go by the results of this investigation, it’s equally as wrong to assert that they didn’t.
It’s not that far-fetched at all to think that the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia in 2016.
Yet it’s not what the investigation into that question concluded.
Manafort has literally openly admitted to it. It’s also in the 2020 Senate report you didn’t read
Many on “the left” still believe [things that are, in fact, actually true]
No shit, Sherlock! But how is that a problem?
Democrats are just denying that neoliberalism and capitalism are destroying the planet.
What exactly is a solution to that?
Educate the masses. Read theory.
The masses are more likely to believe the Earth is flat than read and comprehend theory.
They don’t deny it but exaggerate how much they care in order to get that sweet, sweet social credit - much like conservatives and “traditional values”. The ones that play this game the best are the ones that end up in power.
The research doesn’t indicate this. Everyone is prone to echo chambers, but left leaning folks tend to have more diversified news sources, which is the balance to negate echo chambers.
The left have more diversified news sources because the country has generally been left-leaning in recent generations. It wasn’t “left” when ABC, CBS, NBC were the only news outlets; it was very much “middle-America”.
Not until Fox News came along did conservatives have a real alternative outlet. Still, most news outlets are left / left-middle to represent most people. If there’s five outlets with similar perspectives, a segment of the population will be divided among them. If there’s only one or two conservative outlets, there isn’t much diversity for conservatives to get their news from.
So, while I agree with you about diversified media, I’d argue the echo chamber is getting much stronger.
Ultimately, these news outlets report to their advertisers and corporate overlords. They control what news is being broadcast now that we have algorithms telling them what people want to watch. Back when the big three were all there were to report the news, they pretty much only had to report to the public trust and their own integrity. Today’s media works in both directions at near-lightspeed.
Regardless of political ideology, is the general population choosing to watch news reports that inform them or that enforce their existing feelings? Are you the kind of person who’s buying groceries because they’re good for you and good for the environment or are you the kind of person who buys cheaper comfort food? Perhaps more importantly, who’s telling you what’s good for you and what’s bad for you?
It does. Their propaganda is that equality matters but they maintain status quo with minimal progress. They definitely prioritize corporate interests over gen pop.
Of course it does
The Internet has made people flock to places where people think like them.
Additionally, FaceBook, Google News, and many other sites intentionally show users material that it knows they will interact with to trigger dopamine releases. It’s addictive by design.
Social media has far less influence than ones family, their local community, and their religion or lack there of.
I don’t understand why the DNC (as in the actual organization, not Democrat voters) is so god damn obsessed with Hillary. It feels like they would crown her queen if they could. Makes me wonder if she has some dirt on key people in their organization or something.
I think it has something to do with Democrats still feeling “hurt” over the absurdity of the Clinton impeachment and other sham issues Republicans have with her, that they have some need to redeem her image. Letting her go feels like accepting a loss.
Are they obsessed, or is it just that she’s not campaigning for anything and so she’s ripe for the media junket?
I have a hard time taking this article seriously.
Not a surprise given it’s from Salon. It’s a shitrag. I haven’t read this article but I’ve noticed a pattern based on other articles being posted around Lemmy. A third is rabble-rousing and pandering to the virtue signaling far left. Half is adjacent filler content. The rest is a valid meaningful point worthy of real discussion and has little to do with the headline.
Just noting the comment below about “Republicans are programmed due to their echo chambers”… Dude, if you believe that’s a republican-only phenomenon, you have been programmed by the echo chamber you follow. I’d love a source for “people who don’t follow the news have been shown to be more informed than republicans”.
Speaking of “echo chambers”, that full of shit comment is getting upvoted. You might find yourself currently inside the echo chamber.As a liberal progressive, I’m worried that so many of us are falling prey to the tactics that have worked for conservative media for decades. I thought we were supposed to be more intelligent. It seems like tribalism really is all that matters - intellectualism be damned.
I’d love a source for “people who don’t follow the news have been shown to be more informed than republicans”.
Yeah, it’s not hard to find. Shame you had to do it for them.
There’s definitely value in asking and not just googling. What you find on Google may not represent what the person making the claim is talking about. It’s often best to let a person speak for themselves and place the onus where it belongs.
Back in the day, their grandparents happily filled public swimming pools with cement rather than accept allowing ‘others’ to have a good time.
Defunding and privatization of public schools also started for similar reasons
Prison terms would be really helpful.
You know, equitable application of the law.
Obviously they need to Pokémon Go to therapy.
Trying to get to the root of the ideology is almost impossible.
Asking why they have those opinions is futile they have no opinions past the surface layer.
In fact bringing up contradictory facts is an attack, its crazy.
Everyone deserves a chance at redemption for us to heal as a country we have to leave the door open for them to cone back in… its going to be very difficult if they are choosing willful ignorance.
