This and war in Ukraine have made me realize how exactly the holocaust happened. When I was little I was always so confused as to how something so horrible could’ve happened, but history is repeating itself and it’s not so surprising anymore.

What I am still shocked about is how so many people, seemingly good people, become blood thirsty so goddamn fast but it does prove how the holocaust came to be, and the fact that nobody can see how it’s happening again is truly astonishing.

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      I agree, the way I see it everyone now is just being honest about who they are so at least the sides are clear. Ever since the Ukraine conflict, it’s been clear that western libs won’t ever see certain people as equal and human.

      Libs should thank the Palestinians, they don’t have to fight the urge to be racist anymore. They can just call them vermin in polite society now.

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        My hope is mainly that while the west is hurtling towards mania the west is also actively mismanaged and having its influence decline.

        China are the rising power and they seem a calming influence

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            I’m not convinced that they won’t just kill us for trying. As lenin pointed out in state and revolution the revolutionary potential of a country is hampered by state security forces and the west has a lot of that and a lot of surveilance.

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              The Bolsheviks did it where it was literally illegal and there were constant gendarme raids. We’ve got a shot, the western left’s just in pitiful disarray on average right now. We have it easier in many ways we just have to be strategic and build dual power. The Palestinians avoided mossad intelligence we can do similar here.

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                The Russian state was under strain from their use of feudalism, WW1 and the famines. It was a different situation

                It is important to consider what you are up against. The western left’s disarray is also linked to CIA funding to our more contentious tendencies as well

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              Oh, they will, no doubt. But I’m in it for the long haul at this point. No turning back.

              Sure. They’ve got one of the most advanced and powerful military and surveillance states to ever exist. But that does not mean they are invincible. To me it is not a matter of if we can take them down once we have the organization. That seems quite likely. To me the hard part is if we can get that organization in the first place, given our less than empathetic, less than determined, less than intelligent population. Not to dehumanize, just saying, lots of Americans are clearly really dumb.

              We’re very close to that fascism we speak of being applied broadly to every working class citizen and not just the minorities as it is now. That means it’s time to get to work, and to be prepared for a very bumpy, painful, and potentially liberating ride.

              I know we can do this.

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          I disagree, I’m not against people moving to AES and most of Europe is a lost cause, but I think we have a shot in winning (indigenous/new Afrikan) socialist territory in the land occupied by the US once the empire falls. I don’t see what good going to AES does, they’re fine without us. As socialists our duty is to fight for socialism in our own country. Of course, if you’re in danger I respect leaving. But how do you expect the world to become socialist if people in non-socialist states don’t fight?

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              Communism can only be global and it will eventually. Obviously not in my lifetime, but I expect to see a lot of socialist revolutions and progress. Australia, US, and Klanada are largely fucked, but they will be in chaos after the fall of the empire is made obvious to even the apolitical. I think there’s a prospect of a decent bit of landback in North America considering the size of the oppressed nations and increasing radicalization of the youth. Some parts will probably still be fascist strongholds, but all hope is not lost.

              Unless most of the world is socialist we have no hope of combating climate change and other environmental crises. If there’s no hope then we are accepting the [near] extinction of humanity, and why live with that. Things are not settled in the future. We must remember to have “pessimism of the mind, optimism of the will” (Gramci), and that “pessimism is an emotion not a philosophy” (immortal technique).

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          Same, I am an immigrant from a sort of nomadic family granted I came here (the US) at an early age but I just see this nation and other western ones doubling down on imperialism as that’s the only way their economy functions. I.e. Subjugating someone, paying one family that owns a coffee plantation 5 cents a kilogram for coffee produced by slave labor and selling it for 20 bucks here. That’s how they extract value. It’s not by making anything.

          They don’t mind seeing swastikas if their proxies have them, they don’t mind islamists if they are their proxies. They will never side with the oppressed.

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              Yep, even the “leftist” squad (AOC, Bernie, etc) just wants to cheer on imperialism in exchange for healthcare and they forgot to even get that in the end. What a joke.

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        Classical track of: their leadership and military is evil -> hate government not the people -> atrocity propaganda -> they all support their evil leaders -> dehumanisation -> kill them all

        In case of Ukraine war they went from zero to Hitler in like 3 months, now they did it in 3 days.