• filister@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    So instead you are cheering when civilians on the other side are being killed. Great logic. I hope you feel morally superior and can sleep better at night.

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      One simple rule to achieve peace and stability is diplomatic talk. You don’t use violence as answer.

      Attacking civilians is also plain and simple terrorism. Hamas proved with this action they are not worth more than terrorists.

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        Attacking civilians is also plain and simple terrorism

        So we’re in agreement that this is essentially two terrorist states fighting each other? And the biggest losers in all of this will be the innocent Israeli and Palestinian citizens who just want to live their lives in peace. Meanwhile Hamas and the Israeli state get to go back and forth playing the their sick game of race-to-the-bottom-of-the-moraloty-barrel trying to blow each other to smithereens.

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          Yup.

          But don’t forget. They are deploying 1 time use type armament, so they are also getting subsidized to keep weapon makers profitable.

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          If you’re 93 today, then you were about 18 years old when Israel became an autonomous nation (in 1948). Before that time, the Jews in the area were simply terrorists without a state.

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        One simple rule to achieve peace and stability is diplomatic talk.

        Yeah if it was that simple the region would have peace already. Israel has never seriously considered peace as anything than something to avoid. See: How they funded Hamas in the 90s to take steam out of the Palestinian peace movement.

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          Hamas didnt even exist when Israel funded Mosques and Charity work.

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            You think that’s going to make a difference? People don’t even take a moment to parse that fully 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab, that those Arabs didn’t have their land stolen, and that the reason they are in Israel is because they didn’t listen to the propaganda of the Arab League that they needed to flee because Israel was going to kill them all/make it more convenient for the Arab League to kill all the Jews. No one gives a fuck about actual rich history, the role Arabs played in fucking over their own ethnic group time and again, or that the vast majority of Arab Israelis want fuck-all to do with Palestine except occasionally visit extended family members and then GTFO of the corrupt hellhole that is Gaza (while having legit gripes with how the Israeli state operates).

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              they didn’t listen to the propaganda of the Arab League that they needed to flee because Israel was going to kill them all

              Doesn’t seem like they were wrong…

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              You should look up Benny Morris (an Israeli Zionist historian)'s four-stage analysis of the Palestinian diaspora before saying shit like this.

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          I don’t really want to comment on that. I feel like I am not qualified to judge about the complex problems in this region.

          I see a reflex by some people pointing out that Palestinians are victims. But that does justify to take revenge in this way. This action will prolonge the hatred on both side and the entire situation even further. No one should support Hamas in this case.

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          In 2014, Israel invaded Gaza and more than 2000 people were killed. Did Israel achieve anything other than radicalising more the local population, I would say no? Violence is never the answer or a recipe for long lasting peace.

          Do you think that if Israel was treating Palestinians better and not causing a humanitarian crisis, the support for Hamas would be so strong?

          Just for perspective, the Hamas army is around 30.000, while the Gaza strip population is around 2,3 million. So that’s 1.3% while people who depend on humanitarian aid in the Gaza strip are 80% and probably this percentage would increase even further. So that’s 1.7Mln people. Not to mention that 123.000 people have been displaced. Not to mention that they don’t have access to clean drinking water, soon would run out of electricity and gas. So I don’t know for you but my mind has trouble trying to process the scale of this humanitarian catastrophe.