• TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    It’s easy:

    Are you requesting I as a worker dedicate any part of my time, and/or usage of my personal resources to accomplish something for YOUR business? Yes it’s part of the work day.

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      Also, half the time, I’m literally taking work meetings during my commute because I’m both required to physically be in the office and also start taking meetings before I can even get to work.

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      This doesn’t entirely make sense, since commute is only a part of the routine. You could say, you wouldn’t be taking a shower, so the employer has to pay for the water and the time you spend in the shower, etc.

      The employer has no influence on where you live, why would they be paying for it?

      If the company is paying for your skills, sitting in traffic is not one of them. So it’s up to you to optimise your commute. (I.e. Bike, train, etc.)

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        using a bike or a train in America is the exact opposite of optimizing one’s commute.

        now I WFH - thankfully - but looking up my old commute (10 miles)

        27 mins by car

        110 mins by public transit

        105 mins by bike

        215 mins walking

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      If i live 3 hours from my workplace my employer should pay me for the six hours to get to and from?

      maybe I’m old school…

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        more reasonably would be something like the first 30 mins of commuting counts as working hours, as an example

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        If you live three hours from your workplace you should work remotely or get another job lol

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          that’s the point of this outrageous example. How about this: Suppose there are two employees: Alice and Bob, who do the same job at the same factory. Alice has a 10 minute commute, Bob commutes 35 minutes. If you’re the owner of the factory, how would you compensate them for their commutes?

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            Either:

            A: compensate them equally and let Bob leave 20 minutes earlier and arrive 20 minutes later

            B: compensate them equally for to traveled, meaning Bob would be compensated for 35 minutes and Alice 10.

            C: pass through the tax deduction that I would get if it were company vehicle (xyz a mile) to the employee directly

            If they’re putting their time and their equipment to show up for my business they should be compensated. Period.

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      No, i am expecting you to be at your place of agreed work that you were well aware of, at a time we agreed as stipulated in your agreement that you were open to reject if it was not suitable for you.

      Its not the employers job to tell you where to live, how to get to work, or what to spend you time doing outside of work hours. Don’t like the commute - pick a different job or move, you’re an adult who can make these decisions.

      Better yet, start a business where you pay your employees this way.

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        Don’t like the commute - pick a different job or move, you’re an adult who can make these decisions.

        Well yeah, that’s what’s happening. That’s what sparked this debate.

        People ARE leaving their jobs for other organizations that allow work from home, getting paid more in some instances too.

        If a competing business can’t offer more than what the same work from home jobs are offering for the same position, work from home will win every time. Just like you said, it’s business. Supply and demand, in a tidy work offer contract based on what is agreed upon.

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        Everyone at my work is complaining about the commute with RTO. I have a 15 minute bike ride to work on a secluded trail, I dont care

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          Aww good for you, here is a cookie… now you can ride off the calories on your way to work and feel more accomplished…