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A senior Ukrainian official says this enabled Russian attacks and accuses him of “committing evil”.
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Fucking asshole. USA should size starlink as its objectively used in favor of Russia.
yeah plus he was making the Pentagon pay for it to be available for Ukraine’s defense so pulling like this is somewhere between fraud and treason. fucker better get what’s coming to him
Straight to prison for treason
Been looking at the law and treason requires the US and Russia to be engaging in hostilities. But the term isn’t well-defined. If Russian election interference were construed as hostilities, then treason could indeed apply.
The hostility from cold war never stopped…
In a news article I read the hostility has been understood as the US officially engaging in a war. So, treason doesn’t apply actually. At the same time, the current Russia-US relation can be as hostile as possible due to nukes.
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He’s far to rich to ever face the consequences of anything.
If he continues the way he’s going, that’s not going to last all that much longer. One does not retain their financial security by crumbling every project you touch into dogshit. Tesla and Twitter are both on the fast slide into the gutter.
He is being propped up by Saudi investors, which are aligned with Russians on more fronts than one.
Don’t think for a second that his wealth is connected to the success of his businesses, never was. It’s always been connected to his investors. His investors own him. His investors are the Saudis.
Musk is America’s new 9/11, just, in slow and prolonged motion. Same money, same people behind it.
This story is getting a lot of play, seems like someone in the defense industry is pushing it hard.
Giving Starlink away for free as a humanitarian effort for the people of Ukraine makes a lot of sense, it’s the right thing to do and good PR for Space X.
Using Starlink for military operations also makes a lot of sense, if you need it, they are building out “Starshield” services for just that purpose but it’s not what the current network was designed for and it’s hard to get the appropriate licenses in a war zone.
As for asking for someone to pay for the service: nobody is giving away military hardware for free, it’s all on lend-lease agreements that Ukraine will eventually have to repay over time (the UK only recently finished paying their WWII bills to the US on similar agreements).
That’s a lot of word gymnastics for saying “he can change the deal whenever he feels like it”. Even if it’s pro-bono.
Look at it this way: Elon lives in the west. The west is tasked with promoting and supporting democracies and opposing autocracy.
Especially if the service in question was paid for by subsidies.
We know that DoD is paying for Starlink service in Ukraine, but there are no public details of the contract. Not sure how paying for a service is a subsidy.
“Opposing Autocracy” is an interesting choice of words, since everyone who’s up in arms about this is implying that the government should force a private company to participate in any war on whatever terms they dictate. Freedom isn’t easy, sometimes people and companies do stuff you don’t like, but I we want a working democracy you have to give them that liberty or else loose your own eventually.
The law notes that fighting for an enemy engaging in hostilities v the United States is treason. If (and its a big if) we found Russia was engaging in hostilities v us, fighting on the opposite side would potentially apply.
So does this mean that Elon thinks Starlink is responsible for whatever its internet access is used for? If Starlink can manipulate their service to inhibit war time activities, why wouldn’t they be responsible for not shutting off access to people or groups facilitating crimes, such as distributing CSAM or drugs? Seems like Elon is admitting that Starlink does have the capability.
