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    hahahahah i’d like to see that nazi fuck try, see him wade through discovery, the ADL was built for this shit, it’s their very reason for being

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      The thing is the added complexity that the plaintiff is adding is just going to extend out the entire process. The filing indicates something like a 60% loss of ad revenue. Even if the case runs smooth as butter, there’s no way Musk can get access to the money he’s seeking in time to cover the massive loss plus the huge debt obligations he’s sacked the company with already.

      There’s zero ways restitution from this case would ever give the company enough head above water quick enough to prevent drowning in debt.

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    Elon Musk said Monday that X, formerly known as Twitter, has “no choice” but to file a defamation lawsuit against the Anti-Defamation League amid an ongoing slump in advertising revenue.

    “Based on what we’ve heard from advertisers, ADL seems to be responsible for most of our revenue loss,” Musk wrote on Monday. “Giving them maximum benefit of the doubt, I don’t see any scenario where they’re responsible for less than 10% of the value destruction, so ~$4 billion.”

    How to avoid being antisemitic, step one: Don’t blame your incompetence and piss poor judgement on “the Jews.”

    Elon Musk: D’oh!

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        I’m no accountant, but I have to imagine when he’s talking about “value” it’s not exact loss of sales, but something more like “projected sales for the next 10 years” or something.

        There’s no way Twitter, a company that was overvalued at $43 billion, was also making $40billion a year in advertising sales.

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          He needs to learn that just because he was stupid enough to buy it for $44B that doesn’t mean it was ever worth $44B.

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          He seems to be saying that the market value of Twitter is $40B less than what it was before stuff happened. “Value destruction” tends to be applied to “stock” (like market cap) rather than “flow” (like revenues).

          He’s basically saying Twitter is worth $4B, given that he paid $44B and seems to be saying $40B of values was destroyed.

          Losing $40B in less than a year is, uh, remarkable.

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            So he’s trying to blame Jewish folks for his retarded investment? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to wind up there?

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              What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to wind up there?

              Remember, he grew up a rich white boy in full apartheid South Africa, and never matured beyond that. He has no ability for self-reflection or introspection. Which means he’s never wrong, so someone else must be to blame. So far, that’s included religious, racial, and sexual minorities. He’s only going to grow more deranged as time goes on.

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              The kind of gymnastics that apparently develop when you’re stupid rich and think you know better than everybody because you “made” some really smart-sounding companies.

              AKA being a stupid entitled piece-of-shit.

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      Step 2: If you ban someone who says they’re an antisemite/white supremacist, don’t unban them in response to criticism that you’re being antisemitic.

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    For context, this all started Thursday when the ADL xeeted that is had a “frank and productive” conversation with X’s CEO. She replied with some warm and fuzzy PR bullshit about working together to improve the platform blah blah blah. But the right wing nutjobs weren’t happy with the implication that X was in anyway cooperating with the ADL and there was immediate backlash. “Ban the ADL” became a trending hashtag, because, according to the racist majority on X, the ADL is the actual hate group and they pressure advertisers who in turn pressure platforms to “ban free speech.” Musk, always quick to undermine the sad sack holding the title “CEO” jumped on that bandwagon and been xeeting about it all weekend, threatening to ban them, generally talking trash, and now threatening to sue.

    I find it depressing that I’m aware of all this.

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      It’s hard to take that seriously when you use “xeeted”.

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      I almost feel bad for the new “CEO”. It really seems like she’s doing her best to give the impression that Twitter is still a sane company with reasonable business practices, only for Elon to completely disregard her messaging and do the exact opposite.

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        I would feel bad if it wasn’t obvious that Musk would do this. It is impossible for him to control himself. He can’t help to put his dumbass opinion in the mix, no matter how much it hurts him personally and professionally. It’s the reason he was forced to buy Twitter in the first place.

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          Drop me in her seat for 7 figures with a nice kick-out clause (no stock, please) and I’ll pretend Xitter is a wholesome, thoughtful, productive corporate citizen, too.

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        It’s a shitty position to be in so I almost feel bad as well, except literally everyone knew this was going to happen when she joined. But I doubt she thought, “What’s the worst that could happen? I have a bland conversation with the ADL, and Musk spends the weekend retweeting self deacribed antisemites and threatening to ban/sue the ADL?”

        She is scheduled to be at the Code Conference hosted by the Verge/Vox at the end of September. I’m really interested in how she answers when asked about being undermined, especially now that the undermining has taken the form of her boss just being an outright antisemite.

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          “Look he’s not an antisemite, he just thinks antisemitic people should have free speech, but not anyone pointing out that he thinks that”

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    One of the oldest most experienced groups at litigation against hate and defamation will have a field day with this. I would not be surprised to see X owing the ADL damages if Musk actually follows through.

    This is as nearsighted as DeSantis starting legal battle with Disney.

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    “You made me do it”! yells the abuser. This utter fucknut psychopathic narcissist can’t possibly consider that the lost ad revenue has anything to do with his turning twitter into 4chan.

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      Lol wat? 4chan is heaps better than twitter. There’s no cults of personality for example (well, there’s Chris Chan and Moot, but both were objects of fun ridicule). Attentin whoring ala twitter will net you a lot of shit too.

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        There’s no cults of personality for example (well, there’s Chris Chan and Moot, but both were objects of fun ridicule).

        This just perfectly encapsulates how little you know about 4chan, likely from some outdated youtube opinion piece about how its edgier and cooler than le normie websites

        Like, literally use any board for 5 minutes and tell me how many times Chris-chan or moot is being discussed, let alone anything approaching a cult of personality.

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        4chan is the single easiest social media to manipulate. You don’t have to have legitimate looking user accounts. You don’t have to post from different places. You don’t even really have to make sense.

        You can just spam your narrative as much as you want.

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        That poor Chris Chan. Driven to madness by asshole 4channers.

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      That’s because he’s not and never was a businessman. He’s a tech guy who got super lucky and became filthy rich. Musk builds and designs shit, he doesn’t know squat about running a company. He should stick to playing with his rockets and making new roadsters. This whole CEO foray has turned out real bad.

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        He’s not even a tech guy. He inherited his money, and then lucked into a couple jobs with actual tech guys that he could take the credit for. His entire career has been built around buying other tech companies that were just taking off, pushing the original founders out, and then taking credit for everything everyone else did.

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          … lucked into a couple jobs …

          Strongarmed his way into other people’s success, then slapped his name on it and claimed it as his own.

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          What’s crazy is that he had fooled a lot of people into thinking he was a tech guy with a very carefully crafted image, but he threw it all away to help the alt right

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      As surprising as it may sound, most billionaires do not arrive there through competence. They get there by way of inheritance and privilege.

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      I’m actually surprised he’s not crossed that bridge. I do find it interesting to have a billionaire that doesn’t even bother to pay lip service to being a civil human being but is just a massive racist tool.

      But you know what if he met these people irl he’d get along fine with them I bet and there wouldn’t be these unhinged outbursts. He’s a complete paper tiger suffering a case of being terminally online because he thinks it’s his job (it isn’t).

      Maybe he’s taking something either prescribed or recreationally that has him perpetually on a knife edge like this.

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      Oh he’s a free speech absolutist, alright! Free speech absolutely begins and ends with his personal views and those he finds agreeable.

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      It occurs to me that I’ve never heard of an absolutist that wasn’t a hypocrite in some way. They can excuse white supremacy and Nazis, but they draw the line at either being personally attacked or held accountable.

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      Can we stop posting this fucking douche?

      Feel free to ignore news you aren’t interested in. The sad reality is that Elon Musk is relevant and his actions have real effects on people. Bury your head in the sand if you like but don’t expect me to join you.

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          What makes you think talking about him on Lemmy will have any effect on Twitter? Most of us aren’t even on Twitter.

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            Things that are only relevant, because they are relevant, are not actually relevant. It’s fluff dressed in a suite.

            Like they say, fashion is only fashionable because others thinks others thinks it’s fashionable.

            As long as everyone keeps talking about Musk all over the place, he’ll keep coming out at top.

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              I’m pretty sure he’s on top because he’s the richest man in the world and ignoring him won’t change that.

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                he isn’t the richest man in the world. his “wealth” is stock. not actual money. and he can’t actually use that for anything but leverage.

                he is small fry in the world of the actually rich; people just give him the limelight because of notoriety.

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                  I’m pretty sure that’s how it goes for most wealthy people. It’s all tied up in assets, not liquid cash. Investing your money is always better for growth in the long term.

                  He’s in the news because he’s become a laughingstock. All news isn’t good news. I certainly don’t think he wants news that continues to convince people that he’s an utter idiot and waste of space.

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              He’s so wealthy he could personally go to your neighborhood and “Mansa Musa” your place into inflation. He could just drop $10,000,000 per person to get up and leave whatever square mile surrounding your residence right now.

              Assuming avg population density for a city in the US that’s only $2.8billion (~280 ppl/mile in cities). Not even a scratch to his total net worth.

              A single person with that much wealth and power doesn’t require any attention to retain it. He’ll keep coming out on top because it’s nearly impossible not to when you reach a large enough number.

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                he doesn’t actually have his wealth. it’s estimated stock value; which would cascade to nothing the minute he tries to extract it. all he can do is borrow with stock as leverage; which would net him a lot of money sure; but there is no way they would approve billions in a loan unless he is very very specific on the investment goal.

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          Imagine thinking this is still (or ever was) just about twitter, or that if you simply starve the richest fascist on the planet of attention he will just go away… 🤦‍♀️

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            I don’t know if he’ll go away but he is showing alot of attention seeking behavior and admittedly we’re giving it to him.

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          Okay we’re done here. You’re contributing nothing to the conversation and I wasted enough time arguing with fools on reddit, I’m not going to do it here.