I don’t like to see so many political posts in all and so many weird images in comment sections

  • yata@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    They are so eager to prove themselves the assholes that people accuse them of being, and then they whine and cry about instances defederating from them.

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      I’m pretty sure the whole thing is a false flag/astroturf to discredit sincere leftist discourse. It seems a lot like a blend of bad leftist parody, and edgy 14-year-olds who fell for it

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        Sounds like r/chapotraphouse in a nutshell.

        Also, I think TheDude was underselling why they were originally banned on Reddit. They were the left-wing version of r/TheDonald. The reason he listed was just the excuse Reddit used to justify kicking them off the platform

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                r/The_Donald was known for being a toxic cesspool that often went out to harass other subs. r/chapotraphouse did the same thing, they were just on the other side of the political spectrum. The rest of Reddit hated both because they were full of toxic brigading assholes, and if you can’t understand that then you’re beyond hope

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        This exactly. I swear the entire point is to discredit and divide. The FBI couldn’t do a better job if they tried

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          I mistakenly assumed that they would be more similar to chapotraphouse, but now I see that the 3 year exile has stripped away many of the reasonable people. I still hope some of these users will snap out of it and realize they are acting obnoxiously and unproductively, but the chances of that happening seem slim at this point.

          CTH was aggressively leftist but it was actually funny and self aware. Hexbear seems to have forgotten how to interact with ordinary people.

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            I mean, I like aggressively leftist and most of lemmy that I’ve experienced feels that way. This hexbear shit feels like anti-leftist agitation though. It fucking stinks of feds. If not at the beginning, they’re certainly there now

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              You think feds want you to support socialist countries and point out their achievements?You’re delusional.

              Say hi to your FBI handler for me.

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          I don’t know, I’ve actually met people in real life who were sort of like that. It was really toned down compared to what you would read online but it was still there.

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        Oh, I literally just had a comment on my thoughts on it. Here is it pasted, since I don’t want direct linking to it. TLDR it’s probably majority those 14 year olds, not a false flag.

        I don’t think they are pretending to be those things. They truly believe themselves and their interpretation of Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, communism and socialist projects to be true and just.

        The only issue is that they come from a specific strain of western leftist that got into the “uwu dank Soviet club” meme of the mid-10s and never evolved past that understanding of the people, projects, policies and states they stan like a fandom. They could take some lessons from the anarchists tbqh, but they’d rather post PPB and “liberals get the wall”. Very annoying.

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        No. I had an account when the instance was first set up, but I got banned for getting into an argument with a power-user. I wouldn’t say it’s always been like this, but this is definitely what it’s like normally.

        We mutated out of a band of subreddit refugees from r/ChapoTrapHouse, but I feel like the current community doesn’t fully live up to what it used to be.

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          I think it was, by its nature, susceptible to compromise as described above, witch has been capitalized upon. Whatever it was, or pretends to be, has pretty clearly been manipulated into a deliberately obnoxious parody that, functionally, obstructs left unity and overwhelmingly benefits neolibs.

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              “People” can engage in civil discourse to discuss those beliefs. That’s not what I’m seeing, what I’m seeing is immediate strawmanning, insults, and overall cartoonish disrespect. That’s not someone with a different belief, that’s someone presenting the most obnoxious possible parody of someone with that belief.

              What’s funny is those beliefs aren’t even that different, I’m pretty far left. This is just hivemind soundbite nonsense.

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          I think they’re bots because I nearly exactly agree with them politically. They’re almost exactly my beliefs, but with the most annoying, self-righteous, groupthink presentation possible. That’s why I think they’re a false flag smear campaign to discredit actual leftists.

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              See? This is exactly what I’m talking about. “Anyone who doesn’t believe exactly the same as me for exactly the same reasons with exactly the same presentation as me is a transphobic boot-licking liberal!”

              You’ve had no political discourse with me by which to evaluate my political beliefs, but disagreeing with hexbear specifically is enough for you to assume I’m not a “real” communist. You see how this just proves my point, right?

              I thought thinking people who disagree with you politically weren’t real communists wasn’t a healthy mindset to have?

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            Consider the self-flattery of assuming a community that existed in isolation for three years just to eventually make you look bad when they became federated again.

            Maybe there is a real disagreement instead?

            • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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              Then how come the interactions have been predominantly self-righteous name-calling? My issue isn’t with the political ideals, it’s with the presumptuous antagonism.

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              Hey look, another hexbear making baseless and incorrect assumptions about my political inclinations, even further proving my point! Keep your corporate shill false flag disinfo to yourself, please and thank you.

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          I’m a leftist (not a liberal, actually leftist). It’s not a difference in opinion, it’s a presentation so outrageously bad it can’t be in good faith. It’s a middle-school mockery of communists, it just makes us look ridiculous to the people we should be engaging with sincerely.

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          This is the most “American that doesn’t understand the liberal is only considered left in the US” comment I have ever seen

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          Why is it hard to believe or understand that this, right here and now on lemmy, really is most westerners’ first time interacting with actual communists? A lot of us dems are pretty open minded and a lot of us want the US to move toward socialism. But most of our exposure to communism has just been “communism bad.” So of course we don’t understand the fuller spectrum of leftism, because our fascist conservative party has forced everything so far to the right, and our education system is abysmal.

          Then we come here and see a bunch of “stupid libs” memes, which from the outside we can’t understand because we identify as liberals (leftists). You folks give off the same vibe of how our fascist conservatives treat us (own the libs, kill a dem to save America, etc), and I think thats why people assume or equate you with Nazis. We’ve never met real communists, and a lot of stuff on the internet is fake. It’s entirely understandable.

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      hexbears are abrasive because we expect most liberals to be venomous and dismissive toward us and not listen to anything we say, even if we operate in good faith. so instead of wasting a lot of energy on a response that will be thrown back at us like dogshit, we’re flippant and cursory. for my part, I actually still respond in good faith most of the time, but I pick my battles.

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        go the fuck back to hexbear. Your instance sucks so hard you went and created another account on another instance to get around defederation. Fuck you.