Them (a majority of the comment content has been removed because it’s a long one with extraneous details):
Me:
Them:
Big “You can’t fire me - I quit!!” energy here
Me:
Them:
Big “You [slurs] callanythinghomophobic these days!” energy
Me:
Them:
“Gettingrealsick of these queers clogging up my good, honest anarchist politics with their concern-trolling over homophobia 😡😡”
Me:
Them:
Yeahhh, no small degree of ableism here but I wasn’t even going to try and address it because I was going to pin them on their homophobia and I wanted to make them eat their words by this point. (Also imagine my shock that the radlib who is opining about topics hasn’t done the damn reading.)
Me:
Fuck it, gloves off. I even tried baiting him into making the accusation that me using the grammatical construction cum was homophobic but no dice. Can’t win 'em all…
Them:
“I’m not the non-reader.You’rethe non-reader!! 😡😡” and is this tripling-down on the gaslighting? Quadrupling-down? I’ve lost count…
Me:
Yeah, I’m the non-reader. I also need to work on my own ableism.
Them:
“Haha, yeah! You’re right about what I said about you but it’s still not homophobia because I said it in defence of my political position so it’s a justifiable hierarchy! (Also you [slurs] are so obsessed with identity-politicking.) At leastIadmit when I’m wrong (I’m not wrong though!)”
How dare I use insults!? The absolute audacity…
This guy is a crypto-anarchist. He’s one of these eclectic western leftists who would be a LeftCom if it didn’t require all that damn reading first so instead he’s just an “anti-authoritarian” radical who dedicates a significant amount of their time to being an anti-communist. If it walks like a duck…
This is where the sad excuse for an exchange ends.
There’s absolutely zero accountability or recognition of his homophobia but that’s all for the better because I actually got him to admit he said what he did.
If you could imagine a long-term anarchist (myself) who gradually stopped toeing the line and began to question the orthodoxy, first within anarchist spaces, to meet an increasing level of denialism, apologism, and eventually hostility the more I questioned it then this discussion is something of a metaphor for and a culmination of those prior discussions that I had.
This dork, along with Anark and the nonce who shall not be named, ride on this message of anti-tankies and they claim to have done the reading while fooling their gullible audience by lulling them into complacency by reaffirmating their preconceived political biases.
There was an axis of anti-tankies prior to the term reaching its fever-pitch use in the discourse of Jonas Ceika, Red Plateaus, and someone else who I can’t remember… maybe Anarchopac but fortunately Ceika has been preoccupied with cultural critique (lol - poststructuralism really is where praxis goes to die. I’d recommend Gabriel Rockhil’s articles on the Frankfurt school etc. if you’re deprogramming yourself from this particular cohort) and writing a book, Anarchopac has been preoccupied with writing a book and, well, producing video essays at her glacial pace due to her studies, and Red Plateau (who was the least principled and the least well-read of the three) has dropped off.
I haven’t used sexual metaphors to insult others since I was 22.
My advice? Read more books. Or if you have to engage with these dullards, troll them with either falsely reassuring comments (‘That’s a good point. You really showed me how wrong I was.’) or by pretending that you can’t understand them at all (‘What do you mean?’, ‘What are you trying to say?’, ‘What are you talking about?’). They obviously don’t want to learn, so the most that you can do is have some fun with them. Taking them seriously, even for only a minute, isn’t going to get you anywhere. It simply isn’t worth the time.
I can safely say that you’ll learn more about fascism within five minutes of lurking !capitalismindecay@lemmygrad.ml than you will after spending five years in the company of ‘anti‐tankies’. Kindly remind me: who was the one who taught you about the Four‐Power Pact and its purpose? Who was the one who taught you about the Regio Esercito’s persecution of Libyan Jews? Who was the one who taught you about the riot at Christie Pits? Who was the one who taught you about the microstate that voted overwhelmingly to join the Third Reich?
CW: homophobia ahead!
Them (a majority of the comment content has been removed because it’s a long one with extraneous details):
Me:
Them:
Big “You can’t fire me - I quit!!” energy here
Me:
Them:
Big “You [slurs] call anything homophobic these days!” energy
Me:
Them:
“Getting real sick of these queers clogging up my good, honest anarchist politics with their concern-trolling over homophobia 😡😡”
Me:
Them:
Yeahhh, no small degree of ableism here but I wasn’t even going to try and address it because I was going to pin them on their homophobia and I wanted to make them eat their words by this point. (Also imagine my shock that the radlib who is opining about topics hasn’t done the damn reading.)
Me:
Fuck it, gloves off. I even tried baiting him into making the accusation that me using the grammatical construction cum was homophobic but no dice. Can’t win 'em all…
Them:
“I’m not the non-reader. You’re the non-reader!! 😡😡” and is this tripling-down on the gaslighting? Quadrupling-down? I’ve lost count…
Me:
Yeah, I’m the non-reader. I also need to work on my own ableism.
Them:
“Haha, yeah! You’re right about what I said about you but it’s still not homophobia because I said it in defence of my political position so it’s a justifiable hierarchy! (Also you [slurs] are so obsessed with identity-politicking.) At least I admit when I’m wrong (I’m not wrong though!)”
How dare I use insults!? The absolute audacity…
This guy is a crypto-anarchist. He’s one of these eclectic western leftists who would be a LeftCom if it didn’t require all that damn reading first so instead he’s just an “anti-authoritarian” radical who dedicates a significant amount of their time to being an anti-communist. If it walks like a duck…
This is where the sad excuse for an exchange ends.
There’s absolutely zero accountability or recognition of his homophobia but that’s all for the better because I actually got him to admit he said what he did.
If you could imagine a long-term anarchist (myself) who gradually stopped toeing the line and began to question the orthodoxy, first within anarchist spaces, to meet an increasing level of denialism, apologism, and eventually hostility the more I questioned it then this discussion is something of a metaphor for and a culmination of those prior discussions that I had.
This dork, along with Anark and the nonce who shall not be named, ride on this message of anti-tankies and they claim to have done the reading while fooling their gullible audience by lulling them into complacency by reaffirmating their preconceived political biases.
There was an axis of anti-tankies prior to the term reaching its fever-pitch use in the discourse of Jonas Ceika, Red Plateaus, and someone else who I can’t remember… maybe Anarchopac but fortunately Ceika has been preoccupied with cultural critique (lol - poststructuralism really is where praxis goes to die. I’d recommend Gabriel Rockhil’s articles on the Frankfurt school etc. if you’re deprogramming yourself from this particular cohort) and writing a book, Anarchopac has been preoccupied with writing a book and, well, producing video essays at her glacial pace due to her studies, and Red Plateau (who was the least principled and the least well-read of the three) has dropped off.
I haven’t used sexual metaphors to insult others since I was 22.
My advice? Read more books. Or if you have to engage with these dullards, troll them with either falsely reassuring comments (‘That’s a good point. You really showed me how wrong I was.’) or by pretending that you can’t understand them at all (‘What do you mean?’, ‘What are you trying to say?’, ‘What are you talking about?’). They obviously don’t want to learn, so the most that you can do is have some fun with them. Taking them seriously, even for only a minute, isn’t going to get you anywhere. It simply isn’t worth the time.
I can safely say that you’ll learn more about fascism within five minutes of lurking !capitalismindecay@lemmygrad.ml than you will after spending five years in the company of ‘anti‐tankies’. Kindly remind me: who was the one who taught you about the Four‐Power Pact and its purpose? Who was the one who taught you about the Regio Esercito’s persecution of Libyan Jews? Who was the one who taught you about the riot at Christie Pits? Who was the one who taught you about the microstate that voted overwhelmingly to join the Third Reich?