I motion that we postpone this discussion until after the upcoming US Labor Day has passed.
Second.
No, it’s the 4th this year
*sigh* Someone has to say that every labor day. When are we going to be able to talk about this?
After Labor Day
I get where this comes from (look up why USA and Canada celebrate Labor Day rather than International Worker’s Day) but it’s just symbolism, a frivolous issue. Pushing frivolous issues reinforces one of the negative perceptions of the American left common among both centrist Americans and international leftists. People want healthcare, vacation days, material improvements. Not a debate over when a national holiday is.
Everytime an American on the left does this, they just set back their own cause. It’s enough to make you believe a conspiracy theory of some powers on the right actively encouraging it.
I have no doubt in my mind a portion of the American left is undercover idiots trying to discredit the American left.
At least I hope so.
You make it sound like the American left pushes a lot of symbolic issues. Which ones are you thinking of?
Hot take: the American left loses on the material issues because it has lost on solidarity, symbolism, ideology. Don’t you know that healthcare and vacation days will “hurt the economy”? There are many poor working class people who still oppose Obamacare even though they directly benefit from it. The material gains matter a lot less if people reject the ideas behind them.
I’m not sure if the timing of Labor Day is important, but I wouldn’t underestimate the power of symbols.
well its seeming to me that when it comes to things that will actually unite the US left, they fall right back to red-scare.
I’m having a hard time parsing your sentence. Who is the “they” in the main clause?
sorry, not a native speaker
i meant the left, and how in the US, it seems even the left believes the red scare propaganda
Why not have two holidays? ‘Labor day’ like we do now on the first Monday in September AND ‘Labour day’ on May 1 like the rest of the world. Workers deserve at least two holidays dedicated to them.
Celebrate “us labor day” like normal and then “international labor day” in May. Easy.
No one wants fewer days off anyway. What could be more in the spirit of celebrating workers?
As a warehouse worker in the US, I say it doesn’t matter since Labor Day has gradually become “Work normal hours but earn 1.5x pay for it day”.
What!? I’m getting time and a nuthin
That’s 50% better than a normal day!
Who are You, Who are so Wise in the Ways of Science?
No, just like soccer is not called football here. Sometimes things are different in other places.
Unacceptable. Different thing bad!
For the last time. That other thing is: Hand. Egg.
That leaves a huge gap in holidays between July 4th and Thanksgiving. No thanks.
Would be great if we could just take off all of August like Europe does.
True story.
like the rest of the world?
I am a confused Canadian
Ditto New Zealander
Pipe down up there hat.
No, that’s too close to Memorial Day. And without Labor Day being in September the gap between July 4th and Thanksgiving is too wide to not have a holiday where the majority of workers get time off from work
It’s not just about time off or celebrating. It’s more about sales, special events, traveling, eating out, getting gas, airline tickets, hotel rooms, etc, etc. In other words, stimulating the economy on a regular basis.
Nope. But we should make Worker’s Day a federal holiday on May 1st
May Day is already a holiday isn’t it?
It’s celebrated by some, but it’s not a federal holiday.
May 1st is too early in the year to stop wearing white.
Particularly since outdoor fuckin’ starts on the First of May.
Quality
Is there some place in the US where people actually follow that rule?
Outdoor fucking? Is that some code for abolishing workers rights?
I don’t rrally care when or if we have labor day as an official holiday. Seems like a pointless token gesture, considering the lack of labor rights and protections in the US.
Why does it matter when different countries have different holidays?
I prefer it on a Monday so that I get a long weekend. If it’s a specific date all of the time, then if get a random day off in the middle of the week instead which I don’t care about. I always prefer to extend my weekend instead.
I actually really dislike that Thanksgiving in the US is always on Thursday. It means I can’t travel very far to see family because I always work the day immediately before and after Thanksgiving. So I just have a random day off in the middle of the week.
While we’re at it, can we change the name to “No Labor Day?” 🤔
Always seemed weird to me that it’s one of the few days you get a day off, but it’s named like it’s the only day labor is done.
It’s named for the Labor movement. maybe you’re joking and I’m just dense but… yeah.
“Beginning in the late 19th century, as the trade union and labor movements grew, diverse groups of trade unionists chose a variety of days on which to celebrate labor. In the United States, a September holiday called Labor Day was first proposed in the early 1880s.”
maybe you’re joking and I’m just dense
Can I call you Osmium?
Sure, I’ll call you dickhead.
Why not two Labor Days? The whole point is the day off, after all, so the more the merrier.
We should add May 1st as an additional federal holiday to celebrate labor. We have too many holidays dedicated to the feds celebrating themselves. Surely we can drop at least one to celebrate workers more than we currently do.
