Google SEO has homogenized the internet with vapid marketing content. The internet is one big commercial. The reason Reddit got popular was because communities found and shared good content and created more by talking about it. Now ads are disguised as posts and memes.
The internet is getting as bad as radio.
The internet is getting as bad as radio.
Lemmy kinda feels like the 2000’s internet and I love it
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i didn’t get to experience the 2000s internet and I’ve been loving lemmy
The whole internet used to be like this and it was lovely.
Let’s not romanticize the old web too much. It had its problems too:
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Half-done html pages with
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Autoplaying midi from songs probably from Limp Bizkit, Metallica, Blink 182, etc. Did I mention that MIDI volumes count as separate from normal ‘Media’ volumes, and were often cranked to the MAX?
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It was a time when HTML/CSS/JS would chaotically intertwine with proprietary plugins like Flash and ActiveX. “Best viewed from Internet Explorer at 800x600” was a thing. Readability? Accessibility? Forget about it.
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You paid by minute on dial-up connection until ADSL appeared. Good luck trying to download that
tenchi_muyo_hentai.jpg.
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The most “2000s internet” I get is me and my internet pals hosting our own websites)
Yup and hopefully only the beginning. The fediverse is like a better internet without big tech.
Yeah. I’m noticing when things get too big, undesirables start creeping in.
‘Undesirable’ in this sense would be people with more money than sense and incredibly low standards for what they spend it on. They are the kinds that are proud to be ripped off and businesses will cater to them over smarter folk.
The internet is one big commercial.
So fucking true.
Thanks, capitalism.
The only REAL replacement I’m still looking for is YouTube. Sure, Peertube and proxy sites for YouTube exist. But the amount of content I am interested in is by dozens of decimals larger an YouTube than on any other alternative combined.
And, yes, of course, the search engine.
I’m hoping that as the fediverse grows it will start to accrue enough capacity to sustain a strong video hosting platform like peertube.
Social media has a network effect where the more people use it the more attractive it gets, and because the fediverse can interconnect between different formats I see it as inevitable that eventually it will take over, because it can manage a much more comprehensive network than any centralised site.
Once it becomes more mainstream, server capacity should increase until it can handle the world’s video sharing as well.
Odysee seems to be doing relatively well. Probably 20-30% of the YouTubers I watch are also on there.
Just use duck duck go. Its better in all regards.
I truly wish this was true. But for work, everything I search on ddg is just not useful
Its better in all regards.
I wish it was true. My strategy is to use ddg in first try to find something and switch to google when ddg ducks in wrong way. Currently google is better in images and searching for “this particular site” instead of answer on any site
I tried DDG many times for work. Often I don’t find the result I want at all. I try different queries and all, but I only find barely relevant shit. I switch to Google, and immediately the top result is exactly what I want.
Exactly the opposite for me
I hope alternatives to youtube like Nebula and peertube find their footing, but I can’t help but suspect that youtube has and will continue to find the successful path in this social media era. I’m not a youtuber or anything, so I don’t really know any details about how it works, but the way they seem provide a platform with monetisation and brand building possibilities built in seems pretty effective/pragmatic for a platform that needs to find someway to work within capitalism.
StartPage is a good engine if you want cleaned up Google results. But I highly recommend subscribing to Kagi.
Seriously. I hate the censorship going on on youtube.
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Google’s ranking algorithms are also to blame. If you publish anything on a new website it will take you eternity to rank up against copycat sites and websites that have nothing to do with the search query, they will outrank your publication just because their websites have had 5+ more years presence than you, have paid their way through the ranker, and their article has only one of the six keywords mentioned in the search query but isn’t relevant to the whole search query, your article will linger on page 10. you will put 5 times more work to move your post to the 9th page than the time it took you to research and write the post.
google has shaped the internet into what American democracy is, those with more money get more exposure
I don’t have an Instagram, a YouTube, Facebook, or Twitter account, and I still hate Google search. It’s nearly useless unless I’m specifically trying to find something to purchase.
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It’s not about what you as the searcher has. It’s about where the content you’re searching for is located. If the entity or company you’re searching for has only published within walled gardens such as Instagram or Facebook, then you are less likely to successfully find that information in Google. If they had published a normal website, then Google would be better able to index that information and provide you the result you want.
I feel that, but also, the content I am looking for is indeed typically posted on regular websites without walled gardens, and Google still seems to want to show me a whole page of garbage before the site I’m looking for, whereas on DuckDuckGo(bing), my desired sites are usually the first or second result. Google is better if I’m looking to buy something, or find local restaurants etc, but ddg gives me better results in my academic and flight of fancy searches.
I just hate the google search UI 😊 but of course this is not the only reason that DDGO is my default private and bing my default while working. We are a full on Microsoft software company with all the teams stuff etc. So using bing allows to search not only in the internet, but in the company SharePoints as well.
It’s even bad for finding something to purchase honestly. I’ll search for a specific part number, and most of the results are other similar but not interchangeable products. No Google I cannot just shove this random other battery pack into my UPS, but thanks anyway.
I tried searching for airtight drawers and all the results were either airtight or drawers. Only one was both and it was a ten thousand dollar museum specimen cabinet.
It’s especially terrible if you care about the fiber content of your clothes. Searching for linen or even 100% linen gets me linen blend, linen-look, linen color. 100% wool gets mostly acrylic wool blends. Wool toe socks gets me either wool socks or toe socks but again, not both.
Plus I can’t block Amazon and Walmart from the results anymore, so that’s a ton of extra junk to filter through manually.
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DuckDuckGo is the same. I searched for “ham and cheese recipe” and Yummly is the top result.
My top result is tasteofhome.com. So idk why you’re getting that.
You can use quotation marks to filter only results that have a certain word or phrase in it, rather than related content.
I like Google products but the search engine really has become shit. I’m not sure there’s anything they can do about it though.
They simply need to change the way relevancy is measured. They need to implement some mechanism that can evaluate the quality of the page. The algorithm should penalize sites that have content very similar to other sites (like those that scrape github or stackoverflow), low effort sites, or sites that are infested with too many ads.
And since so much quality information is in youtube videos, and they already generate transcripts, why can’t you search through those?
Just out of curiosity what google products do you use?
I guess it’s gmail, drive, calendar and YouTube mainly
Edit - and maps
I personally want to degooglify as much as I can, just saying what the other person probably uses
Thanks. The only one left for me is YouTube now. On a WAN show Linus asked Luke what product released less than 10 years ago by google he was using and they couldn’t think of one. It was the same thing for me. I’ve been asking friends and colleagues ever since, the answers are interesting.
Yeah. The whole ‘search engine optimization’ scam has really messed things up.
I feel like, aside from a top few sites, most results just spit out content mill bullshit.
Ever notice how just about every explanatory article is structured the same way? They’re trying to repeat the same shit as much as possible to get higher in search results.
“What is X?”
“Why would you want to do X?”
“Here’s how to do X.”
I just want to know how to do X, guys. Enough with the fluff.
I avoid Google products as much as possible these days, especially anything launched within the last 2-3 years, because it will soon be abandoned and unsupported. Their search results are worse than they have ever been. The only Google app I actually like is Google Maps.
Maps is also seriously going down the gutter.
- There are ads in maps now.
- It works OK if you know a name, but not the location, but not the other way around. If there’s any concentration of businesses, you can zoom in all you want but it will only show 1 in 2 places.
- Many search terms now result in residential places near the top results. I suppose these are mostly small webshops run out of homes for the same terms, but that isn’t usually what one is looking for when using maps.
Yeah the search has gone to shit. I’ve been using Duck Duck Go but I guess that is Bing based?
Also been trying out Kagi. The format is unsettling at first but it is nice to see the results I am looking for at the top instead of a bunch of bullshit ads / sponsored results and whatever along with crappy results below the fold.
I’ve been using Kagi for two months now and I can’t recommend it enough. Whatever I search is always on the first results, no need to filter SEO crap.
Also it’s incredibly fast.
I’m not a heavy search user so their lowest tier (5$, 300 searches) is more than enough for me. I can see how the costs can add up for someone that is a heavier user tho
I’m still figuring out what tier I should go for before I decide what to do.
But yeah it is quite zippy fast!
Try the low one for a month and set a soft and hard limit, then evaluate. That’s what I did, but I didn’t go beyond 260 searches hahaha
Try magic earth instead of gmaps
All the alternatives work great for cycling, driving etc… but collapse instantly when you try and use them for public transport
Yeah, I find Maps the best for getting around regardless of the mode of transportation.
Only thing I really dislike about Maps is that it doesn’t make it very easy to explore businesses. Like, try to look at a random strip mall and it won’t show you what all the store fronts are. Some things only seem to show up if you search for them (not if you look at exactly where they are).
Google Maps saved me when I had to work in Japan for several months without knowing not a lick of Japanese. I just bought a Suica card and just stood on which color Google Maps told me.
In Poland we have OSM based jakdojade.pl
OSM is awesome. It keeps getting better and better.
I’ve always wondered, does Google Maps link into each city’s public transport API manually after contacting the city, or do they have some sort of AI scraper?
Maps isn’t doing too hot either.
there’s been a shift to entertainment-based video feeds like TikTok — which is now being used as a primary search engine by a new generation of internet users.
I hate when journalists use data from Arse Research Institute to boost sensation
But if that last 25 years of Google’s history could be boiled down to a battle against the Google bomb, it is now starting to feel that the search engine is finally losing pace with the hijackers. Or as Marwick put it, “Google has gotten shittier and shittier.”
“To me, it just continues the transformation of the internet into this shitty mall,” Marwick said. “A dead mall that’s just filled with the shady sort of stores you don’t want to go to.”
Worth citing
Dash is one of the web’s earliest bloggers. In 2004, he won a competition Google held to google-bomb itself with the made-up term “nigritude ultramarine.”
DarkBlue.com is not Google
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011225539/http://dashes.com/anil/2004/06/nigritude-ultra.htmlThey’re bloggers, not journalists.
translation: Google Search is still an important tool, but it is no longer the only way people find information.
In fact, the site’s original name, BackRub, was a reference to the backlinks it was using to rank results.
Oh, I’m so gonna be using the original name from this moment on. “Have you backrubbed it?”
Too long. We need to shorten it. I know… “I can’t find any information on grasshoppers.” “Have you rubbed one out?”
“What ingredients do I need for thick pancakes again?”
“Hang on, I’m rubbing one out now?”
I wish. Unfortunately it will probably live on for all eternity like Facebook is somehow living on.
The only thing I still use from Google is their Pixel phones, and then I immediately flash them with GrapheneOS. That, and Google maps which I can’t find a good replacement. I’ve tried every single OSM app and none of them remotely compare.
I hope it’s true, but honestly I don’t believe sites and opinions that have to do with google from sites like the verge.
Because sites like the verge are in reality rivals to google. For example verge is owned by voxmedia which has an advertising company and a web advertsing platform. They are rivals to google which also is an advertising company. They hate google because they want google’s money lol. I seriously doubt they can be objective especially to google.The point of the article is that whatever is replacing Google is not going to be better. It’s not Google that is broken. The entire web is.
It’s far from over
We had some good variety of search engines back in the day. Alta vista, Hotbot, Infoseek, Yahoo… Now it’s just Google, or slightly worse versions.
I know people say to use DuckDuckGo but I never get as useful results there as on Google. I just have to scroll past a lot more ads on Google to get to the actual links.
There is brave search, which seemed pretty good to me, even though i am using kagi search now. And to be honest, so far kagi seems really solid, and if you go past the fact that you have to pay for it (on most other search engines you are the product) then give it a try, the first 100 searches are free.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A writer for the site, interviewed under the pseudonym Michael Hugedisk, told Wired in 2007 that their three-person team linked to a webpage selling pro-George W. Bush merchandise and was able to make it the top result on Google if you searched “dumb motherfucker.”
Per Sullivan’s logic, Google Groups added better discovery to both Usenet and the myriad other message boards and online communities creating proto-meme culture at the time.
Alex Turvy, a sociologist specializing in digital culture, said it’s hard to map our current understanding of virality and platform optimization to the earliest days of Google, but there are definitely similarities.
Alice Marwick, a communications professor and author of The Private Is Political: Networked Privacy and Social Media, told The Verge that it wasn’t until Myspace launched in 2003 that we started to even develop the idea of internet fame.
In 2004, he won a competition Google held to google-bomb itself with the made-up term “nigritude ultramarine.” Since then, Dash has written extensively over the years on the impact platform optimization has had on the way the internet works.
On top of it all, OpenAI’s massively successful ChatGPT has dragged Google into a race against Microsoft to build a completely different kind of search, one that uses a chatbot interface supported by generative AI.
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This is a terrible tldr. Just go read the article.
Michael Hugedisk 🤣
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there’s not enough porn on Lemmy
