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    That is the way humans have always been and it is not just the USA. I will be dead before the worst affects hit is the justification many think but few are willing to express. Around the world ground water is being used at rates that are thousands of time faster than replenishment.

    When the water runs out, mass starvation will soon begin.

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        That will also happen but it will not stop the hunger.

        Food exports will dry up as countries hold their food for their own people (See: India’s ban on rice exports) and the countries that cannot feed their own populations will implode.

        The Arab spring started as protests over a jump in food prices.

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        To think that getting rid of those two things is a silver bullet is naive.

        People like to shit on animal agriculture. However, you have to consider that only about 3% of the earth’s entire surface is suitable for agriculture, and even less to grow most of the crops we eat. Animals can be raised on land that’s not suitable for crops. It spreads out where we use our water, which is a good thing. Animal agriculture also gives us a plethora of goods besides just meat, and again, it’s goods from land that otherwise we cannot farm.

        As with all things in life, there are better and worse ways to go about it, but animal agriculture isn’t ruining the planet in itself.

        Secondly, the problem with biofuels is it should be replaced with nuclear, and getting hungry isn’t going to change that, a lot of people are just going to die from starvation and violence directly caused by starvation.

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          Animal agriculture is not ruining the planet itself, yes.

          But

          Animal Agriculture emits nearly 60% of greenhouse gases from food production.

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            About half of production between that and crops? That’s actually not bad. Not bad besides the total, but that’s a good split imo

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      what humans use PAILS in comparisson to what the animals we eat use. Stop eating animals!

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        I can understand why you’re getting downvoted. People don’t want to stop eating animals. I know I don’t. But we really should. You’re right, it’s horrible for the planet. I for one am looking forward to the lab grown meat future.

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          Why even lab grown? I’ve eaten burgers from vegan shops that I prefer to meat ones. They’re meatier and tastier than every other meat based burger in their price range.

          Of course not every restaurant is this good yet but I have a feeling it’ll outpace the rate of lab grown meat availability.

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            Why even lab grown? Because people will not give up meat. Humans want fat and muscle protein without the cruelty and waste.
            I’m all for vegan options as well. I love me a well made vegan burger.

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        animals mostly eat parts of plants that people can’t or won’t eat, so in that way they help us conserve resources.

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          Haha what the hell are you talking about, a third of cropland is literally dedicated to growing livestock feed. Livestock also directly contributes 7% of greenhouse gas emissions by shitting alone.

          This is directly from the FAO: https://www.fao.org/3/ar591e/ar591e.pdf

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            a third of cropland is literally dedicated to growing livestock feed

            that’s not what your source says. and all of agriculture is about 20% of our emissions, but i’d be fine if it were 100%: we need to eat.

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              Twenty-six percent of the Planet’s ice-free land is used for livestock grazing and 33 percent of croplands are used for livestock feed production.

              Dude, it’s one of the first things written on the first page. Come on now, this is embarassing.

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                33 percent of croplands are used for livestock feed production.

                but not exclusively for livestock feed production. it’s not “dedicated”.

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                  This is what this user posted and embarrassingly deleted before writing the comment above:

                  grazing lands aren’t croplands

                  If you can’t even be bothered to read a full quote that was handed to you, you aren’t discussing in good faith. You can go ahead and fuck off with your hand wavy non-scientific bullshit. Learn to read a source and provide a proper rebuttal with evidence instead of spamming nonsense.

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    I’m not sure if this report mentions it but I remember reading recently that we’ve pumped so much ground water out of the earth, it’s affected the tilt of the fucking planet. Man we are a shithole species.

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    Extracting groundwatee in the death valley in order to make a golf is the most insane example

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    American companies and local governments implementing unsustainable projects that will only face consequences once they’re gone?

    They would never!

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      That’s not true. The vast majority of water overuse is industrial (including wasteful farm practices) and commercial. Gandhi said it well:

      There is enough in this world for every man’s need, but not enough for every man’s greed.