The order also explicitly limits Trump’s ability to attack witnesses or his co-defendants, including on social media.
Feels a bit ridiculous.
Even low-balling Trump’s supposed wealth, that’s like setting bond for the average person at $7.50.
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I dunno, self exile, and being forever a fugitive felon would be cheaper than a trial with guaranteed outcome. Hard to deny you are Puttin lap dog when you are crashing on his couch.
It’s definitely worth considering.
The judge knows he’ll show up because he can’t resist an audience.
Imagine Trump getting elected while living in exile in Moscow. I just threw up in my mouth.
No way Trump survives in Russia long term. He would have an adoring crowd for a few months, maybe a year. Most likely at the threat of bodily harm more than them liking him. Then the crowds thin because he has outlived his usefulness. A new leader for the party has been found. He cannot golf all the time. He can never return to the states. He likely cannot even leave Russia. Slowly he becomes a shell of the man he once was, yelling “Make America Great Again” into a mirror. Then one day he falls out a window, completely by accident. He tripped on the power cord there, or the CIA did it. Thats best case.
Worst case is Russia doesnt even let him in knowing it would further turn the West against them. Furthering their resolve to support Ukraine. Or worse dragging NATO into the war.
His secret service agents would have to be in on it. Not out of the realm of possibility, but him skipping wouldn’t be that easy.
AND he gets elected.
Let’s just up it to 2M so we can fund MARTA.
I love MARTA. I also know it has its problems. As a neighbor from a nearby small city, I don’t even have a business stop within 5 miles of my house. I love being able to take MARTA all over place in Atlanta with a day pass.
You do know that the state doesn’t keep the money unless the defendant skips out on court, right? It’s not just money they can use for stuff.
It really does. As in… we know you’re not going to be able to resist threatening jurors and will have to forfeit this bond so we’ll give you a nice low bond.
So another $200k deducted from his re-election donations then.
Keep in mind, you only have to post 10% to get out, so $20K.
What’s $20K to him if he skates?
Isn’t the full amount posted by somebody? And if you leave the bondsman can find you and take you to the cops?
Don vs Dog the bounty hunter would be a battle of the bad haircuts
Dog the Bounty Hunter tackling Trump is such an absurdly perfect image. I’ll expect to see a New York Times article about it in a month.
Given that we’re in the dumbest time line, this is actually a plausible scenario.
Yeah I’d be curious to see what happens if he skips, because he has Secret Service protection for the rest of his life.
The Secret Service has an obligation to protect him, but they’re also federal officers. Would they protect him from the bounty hunters? Would they rat him out? Would they act as the bounty hunters and drag him back to the courthouse against his will?
It also raises questions about a potential conviction. If he gets convicted, will the Secret Service simply post extra guards specifically for his (isolated) prison cell? They’d probably want to try and outsource it to the prison directly, but then you run into the issue of having a person who still has Top Secret clearance and has proven to be irresponsible with it being guarded by people who don’t have that clearance. The Secret Service would probably need to clear several of their members and post them there as guards, simply to prevent Don from blabbing national secrets to anyone who will listen. Basically, limit his contact to only people who also have clearance.
Regardless, I’d pay good money to get a livestream of the bounty hunters taking Don down.
I don’t get why the secret service would do anything to stop it. They aren’t loyal to a person, I thought, they’re federal officers charged to protect an individual. Protect from… who, the government? No, from harm. Is it their job to turn him in? Maybe not, quite frankly I don’t know, but I don’t see how they’d turn against other police forces - they aren’t his personal militia.
I doubt they’d up and go to war for him, but if some of the SS were part of his cult, I could see them doing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING they could to keep him free.
Talking our of my butt, but it would be worth it to either put him is ADX, or build a new prison just for him.
Reopen Alcatraz and put him in there.
I’m sure the irony of having him in prison in California would be lost on no one except him.
Yes, it’s usually 10% if you go to a bail bondsman. And yes, you still owe them if you skip out, and they can hunt you down.
I don’t think the secret service would let that happen though.
You mean the same secret service that deleted subpeonad evidence to protect themselves and trump?
That’s “subpoenaed.”
It looks just as ridiculous, maybe more.
I have a feeling Dog wouldn’t take him in and they would just hang out at the back of Da Kine
That’s only if you get a bondsman to pay the rest of it. Knowing trump, anyone in their right mind wouldn’t put 180k of their own money down thinkimg the fat idiot won’t run his mouth and violate the terms of his bond.
But then again, if they were in their right minds, they wouldn’t support him.
That’s cash bail, not a bond.
That’s like fucking nothing to the mega rich like Trump.
The fact that we have a two-tiered justice system couldn’t be more obvious than a rich white politician getting slapped on the wrist despite leading an insurrection against American democracy while poor black men are killed in the street by militant cops for literally no reason. Gross on so many levels.
This isn’t a slap on the wrist punishment, this is the bond to not be held in jail pending trial.
But it’s still wildly unfair. Imagine getting a $10k bond, you either need $10k cash you can part with temporarily (assuming you show up and are innocent) or far more likely you need to pay $1k to a bondsman that you won’t get back. Someone living paycheck to paycheck might not have the savings and so they either pay a poor tax or spend some time in jail.
But for the rich, they always have the funds, or someone willing to loan it for a lot less than 10-15%. And it’s rarely set high enough to be a significant deterrent.
Illinois just became the first state to eliminate cash bail, because you’re either a flight/violation risk or you’re not, money shouldn’t tip the scale.
You’re right. I’m not trying to say that he’s been sentenced or anything, but I’m referring to how little money $20,000 is to a guy like Trump. We’re talking the price of a moderately used 2017 Honda Civic as bond for a guy who participated in a malicious conspiracy to overturn the results of a democratic election (in multiple states, mind you). It’s a start contrast to the fact that there are countless innocent people who have lost their lives for no due to a justice system that is all too ready and willing to lay down the law against little people like you and me.
If we did even 1% of what Trump has done we would be held without bail until the date of our trial.
There’s also potential to forfeit if he violates the release conditions or commits other crimes.
This is somewhat misleading. If you have the money for bond you typically just pay it yourself because a bail bondsman keeps some of the money when it’s returned.
If you use a surety bondsman, you pay 10-15%, you don’t get that back in any case. If you have the cash to pay the bond and don’t plan on violating the terms, you’d put it up yourself.
That said, like most insurances, you have to find someone that’s willing to accept the risk, and if the terms really include “don’t attack people on social media” you’d have to be the dumbest person in the world to put that up for him.
What’s $20K to him if he skates?
If bro skates… bro.
I like Presidents who don’t have a bail bondsman
I want to see Dog the Bounty Hunter chasing him down.
Sounds like a good porno.
Nooooooooo
Trump and the bail bondage man.
I would pay way, way too much money to see Eric Cartman do that.
But I like this ex-president having one :)
I mean, he probably just paid it in cash lol. I don’t think he needed a bondsman. Worst case scenario, send out a fundraising email and he’d have the money in an hour or less
LOL
Traitor cunt.
So, what happens if he violates the gag order? Can they lock him up or is just a pithy fine?
If he violates the bond terms, they can throw him right into jail.
Great. Fingers crossed that he’s stupid/impulsive enough to do it and the judge actually has the chutzpa to put him in the clink.
“can”, but “won’t”.
The shitstorm of logistics to make that happen is so far beyond what anyone would actually be willing to do.
Laws just don’t apply to the wealthy, as much as they ought to.
Laws really don’t apply to wealthy ex-US presidents, as much as we want them to.
He hasn’t got in any trouble yet for violating gag orders. I’m not hopeful about justice being served this time around.
I feel like the fact that it’s an actual bond condition this time might motivate the judge to actually enforce it, but I understand your pessimism.
How great would that be to watch? I don’t drink, but I think I would make an exception that night.
If Trump ever does have to do the walk of shame, I’m saving that clip on my phone as an antidepressant.
The judge has every right to revoke bail and lock him up if he breaks those terms. I’m not betting any money on that actually happening, but if the law were applied equally he’d be denied bail and in prison until trial already.
I’ve been watching some news reporting on it and apparently the main concern is “where the line is” when it comes to his commentary. As a presidential candidate, he’s still allowed to attack his political opponents, but what happens if he attacks Mike Pence, who is both a contending GOP candidate and a witness in his case? Most commentators I’ve seen are saying the comment would have to be an egregious violation of the order for him to be sent to jail without enormous political upheaval (I mean, a certain portion of his base will go apeshit no matter what, but you get the idea). I suspect Trump will do what he always does and try to test that line. I really hope he miscalculates.
He’s going to jail. That mother fucker doesn’t know how to keep his mouth shut.
There’s not enough zeros there.
I wonder how long it will take Trump to break parole. It is not a question of if, just a question of when. And then the reaction of the court will most likely show the inequality of the American justice system. Some are handled more equal than others.
The question I have is what if he violates any of the terms? It’s not like they’re going to throw him in jail with some secret service people guarding him. So it feels more like a show than anything with real force behind it.
Pretty sure if you violate pre trial conditions, a judge can issue a bench warrant and lock you away.
If he gets arrested later when he surrenders, beside a mugshot, do they also weigh Trump? Measure his height?
I mean, we already have that info from best doctor ever Ronnie Jackson
Wait does this mean we get mug shots today?
