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    You clearly have no clue about how effective gaslighting and other propaganda can be or how shallow understanding of the candidates many voters have.

    Progressive policy positions are almost universally more popular than gutless centrist ones, yet the centrist candidates backed by tens of millions worth of ads keep winning.

    Do you really think that’s a coincidence? Do you really think that the two giant corporations masquerading as political parties would spend BILLIONS of dollars on ads every election cycle if they didn’t sway voters?

    If so, you’re a bizarre combination of ludicrously naive and profoundly cynical 🤦

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      What gaslighting?

      You mean like Biden’s ridiculous declaration of how great the economy is while everyone is either homeless or teetering on the brink? Yeah, that isn’t fooling anyone. It is painfully obvious that Biden is Republican Lite, not progressive.

      You mean like Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign messaging? It was limper than an overcooked noodle. “I’m with her”? Really? They may as well have gone with “it’s her turn; how dare you lousy ingrates even consider voting for anyone else!” That’s why she lost the general election. As for why she won the primary, real simple: Bernie Sanders is way too far left for most Americans. He was all over the news the entire time, so don’t tell me he didn’t get any publicity. He was on the primary ballot, so don’t tell me he got shut out of the election.

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        You were doing so well with the accurate criticism of the Hillary and Biden campaigns but then you had to resort to their own propaganda talking points 🤦

        Bernie Sanders is way too far left for most Americans

        Every policy position of his polls at 60-80% when not connected to his name. For that to happen, he has to be extremely personally unpleasant or the victim of an effective gaslighting smear campaign. By all accounts, he’s extremely caring and genuine, if a little crotchety, so that leaves one possibility.

        He was all over the news the entire time

        If by “he” you mean Trump rather than Bernie, you’re right. Compared to his standing as a realistic challenger for the nomination and thus the presidency, he received LAUGHABLE amounts of coverage in the media! Even when admitting it, they put him in the category “democrat but not her”. Same deal with the 2020 primaries. 🤦

        He was on the primary ballot

        Which doesn’t mean much when the people hosting and controlling the contests are blatantly taking sides against him, in violation of their own bylaws.

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          Every policy position of his polls at 60-80% when not connected to his name. For that to happen, he has to be extremely personally unpleasant or the victim of an effective gaslighting smear campaign. By all accounts, he’s extremely caring and genuine, if a little crotchety, so that leaves one possibility.

          Two, actually:

          1. Bernie Sanders was smeared and actual progressives actually believed it.
          2. Pollsters are frequently horribly wrong.

          Pollsters also said Hillary Clinton was going to win in a landslide, and it’s pretty hard to believe that bona fide progressives wouldn’t vote for a bona fide progressive, so I’m leaning heavily toward #2.

          If by “he” you mean Trump rather than Bernie, you’re right.

          No, I mean Bernie Sanders. I was blasted with Sanders spam constantly on social media in 2016. No one had any excuse for not knowing who he was and what he stood for.

          Same deal with the 2020 primaries. 🤦

          In the 2020 primaries, the biggest concern was making 200% sure Trump does not get a second term. The primary voters decided that the best way to do this was to elect a centrist that would appeal to the right-wing not-so-undecideds that this godforsaken country is so depressingly full of, and even that only barely worked. Maybe you disagree, and maybe you’re right and they’re wrong, but I’m sure you can understand that there was an extremely dire situation with absolutely no room for mistakes.

          If you want to fix that, fill Congress with progressives and pass a Constitutional amendment mandating approval voting or something similar. And yeah, that’s on us voters, too.

          Which doesn’t mean much when the people hosting and controlling the contests are blatantly taking sides against him, in violation of their own bylaws.

          I’m going to need some details on this before I can respond meaningfully.