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laughs in firefox + uBlock Origin
Except WEI is going to make it so the website can detect and block you if you don’t allow the ads, regardless of your browser and extensions
At the moment WEI has been rejected by mozilla, so it wont be implemented into firefox. if google decides to add it into chrome and to their services, they will effectively lock out all firefox users. - A very anarchistic part of me actually would like to see how that would play out … but at the moment i am unsure if google would actually dare doing this, but i guess, it will only be a matter of time and we’ll find out.
Not sure if this move would actually damage the open web … since basically google would single itself out as the enemy … and i dont see many users appreciating such a move.
But if the worst happens and the whole web follows googles example, i guess we can just call this iteration of a “open web” a failure and start over with something much simpler … maybe something like the gemini protocol as its base, which isnt polluted with clientside javascript garbage and bloated CSS/XHTML parsers and rendering engines .
I fully expect that without a change of current course, Google will ensure yt will just stop working on Firefox at some point.
I guarantee there will be a workaround. It’s not magic it’s just code. And once that code is on your machine there’s not much they can do about it.
Firefox + uBlock Origin user here. I started getting those popups a few days ago.
People who choose not to watch ads are far more likely to not spend money based on ads. I know that when I see the same crappy ads over and over, yeah, I remember the name of the product, and I remind myself every time never to buy it. I’m more likely to buy from that seller if I don’t see their ads.
Everyone thinks ads only work on other people, that’s why ads haven’t been banned yet.
Yeah. I’m completely allergic to ads. If this goes through I’m simply not going to use YT anymore.
I operate this way too. There must be literally dozens of us.
In all seriousness, I do find it somewhat surprising that some of these companies think saturating everything with ads is a good idea. As a simple matter of brand recognition, I get that the power of suggestion is a helluva drug. But all that stuff does eventually glom together in my head as general advertising nonsense – as a result I see companies that advertise less / not at all and rely on a quality product and word of mouth as a better buy.
They don’t just think it’s a good idea, marketers have convinced themselves they’re doing you a favor by pummeling you with advertisements day and night.
How else could you learn about their valuable product if not for constant, unending advertisement?
I can list a ton of products I by principle will never use. Athelic greens, casper mattresses, simplisafe, express/nordVPN, Honey … Some people may see a pattern there.
Ironically I might actually buy your product even if you spam annoying ads as long as you do it on a platform I block ads on.
No Ad is good sunscreen.
Chumba…Jordan Peterson and the stupid best fiends game, I’ll NEVER use
then they are succesfully livin in your head rent free
Oh my, the creators get paid?!?
https://influencermarketinghub.com/youtube-money-calculator/
Oh… So no, not really…
Sounds like they’re lying to me!
I don’t remember which creator said it but basically by donating them even one dollar they’re profiting more than if you sit thru hours and hours of ads. I guess objectively one can claim the moral high ground by watching ads but that really is like tossing bread crumbs to a beggar.
I’d really like platform like YouTube to come up with a subscribtion model that you pay like $10/month of which 20% goes to YouTube and the rest is split between the creators of which videos you have been watching. Even better if there’s a way to prioritize the ones that you really want to give your support to.
You’ve just described YouTube Premium. Except it’s $14/month now. And I don’t know the numbers for how much of that goes to creators.
You can also “join” a channel, assuming that channel has it enabled.
Imagine believing you get paid to make videos on a video sharing platform. Who do those people think they are?
/s
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the word “allowlisted”. Did someone forget “whitelisted” is a thing, or is that term finally cancelled?
Whitelist and blacklist were indeed cancelled despite having no racial origin.
It doesn’t have racial origin, but it has pretty strong racial connotations.
And it’s not exactly hard to stop using them.
It doesn’t have racial origin, but it has pretty strong racial connotations.
What isn’t racist if even basic colors are racist?
It’s a bit more than just using colours though isn’t it?
It’s saying:
White = good
Black = bad
Just because it’s not inherently racist, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be changed. And most people don’t seem to have a problem with changing
Yellow road lines mean something different than white road lines. The hard drives I buy have black and red product names (one is faster than the other). Are these racist or just really convenient ways to differentiate ideas?
The good/bad white/black trope has been basic symbolism for a long time.
Might have been a day/night thing but certainly gets racial in today’s 1D cultural filter.
White = light, day, sun -> great for human daily activities, so it’s positive
Black = darkness, night -> spooky, dangerous and not great for human activities, so it’s negative
That can be universal, not tied to a specific culture.
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BUt wOke!!!
You’re as bad as the people shouting that.
Right because bOtH sIdEs
There are cultural traditions of using colors as symbols, many of which are harmless – red for anger, blue for sadness, green for envy. Whitelist and blacklist come from the very long-standing theme of using white to represent good and black to represent evil.
Regardless of how you feel about the origin of those themes, it makes sense to start moving away from them now. Whether intentional or not, they can be harmful and aren’t really necessary.
Let’s also start removing phrases with white, yellow and brown as those are used to refer to people’s skin colour as well.
The only reason I would even contemplate not using blacklist or white washing is if an actual person of that skin colour says that it is not okay for them, or there’s an actual consensus among people of that community that it isn’t acceptable.
I can tell you as a person with brown skin, with brownie or whatever used as a derogatory name, almost everyone I know isn’t even concerned with terms like brown out or brown note.
Online outrages or articles aren’t an accurate depiction of reality.
Even more dangerously, shit like this drives outrage and diverts attention from actual, real issues faced by people of different races. Like not having stuff to eat or indoor plumbing or mental health infrastructure or access to health care.
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The only people being outraged are people like you when someone is using a different word.
I watched an ig reel that said people react to anything different to them either with fear or judgement. Get over yourself, have some empathy, and move on.
Oh shit, well if you watched an Instagram reel then it’s probably true.
Note though how I’m here reacting to something different with neither fear nor judgement, just with sarcasm.
not only that but whitelist-blacklist are just bad names.
even greenlist-redlist would be better (at least while we have light signals at intersections) as green means go red means stop are more universally understood.
but allowlist and blocklist are just plain better, they are self explanatory words. you don’t need to learn what they mean since it’s right there in the name.
whitelist-blacklist are names where you need to learn the meaning of them, sticking to them just because they were used in the past is not the best argument.
I’m fairly certain the term “blacklist” came before traffic lights
Words often work like unique signifiers “symbols”, often by using them you learn them and dont question it. Thats a neutral phenomenon. It has advantages and disadvantages. Mainly, redlist is as disconnected from meaning as much as blacklist is. Requiring the understanding of what a “car” is, and why they cant “wheel their way” thru a cross shaped road becuse of a colored light being there. (Mabe even “across” may make no sense anymore in the future) It sounds really stupid when put like that, but accessability is important.
it isn’t though. you don’t need cars to learn red means stop, we literally had miniature roads, crossing and signs at my pre-school (or whatever it’s called in English, the one you go at age 3 till 6, you start school at 6).
Stop sign is red, pedestrian crossing are just red - stop, green - go. you learn that from a very young age so the association is natural.
Also, just to be clear, I didn’t say redlist is good, just that it’s less stupid than blacklist.
Never liked these debates
as “making the words comfortable (to myself, others or both)” (from both sides) matters most.I find that usimg that soundbyte results in people (including me) to not knowing the cultures your refering to and most without being informed assume that their irrelivant (Hence the original reactionary response). Since the debate has in bad faith on nobody’s intent became about “comfort”, ill give that perspective.
Personally, Allowlist and blocklist “just work” (no discomfort). Blacklist and Whitelist are natural feeling and I fully understood the soundbyte reason. For that I can respect depricating the word but banning it (if thats even the goal) is uncomfortable. Ill happly abandon my position if a good argument is given. For now I subconciosly use what word was already there.
Edit: boilerplate is way too harsh, dont like conforntational tone.
Honestly I haven’t heard much rhetoric around anyone banning these terms. But if moving away from them IS good, and the entire catalyst for this conversation is “YouTube chose to use newer, more preferable terms”, then isn’t that a good thing?
It’s common since quite a few years. And blocklist as counterpart
Blocklist and allowlist are much more intuitive, so if we ignore all the cultural baggage, these changes are rather sensical.
You are predictably behind the curve
Desktop replacements: FreeTube and Piped. I personally prefer FreeTube; the UI is way better than Piped.
Android: LibreTube (it also works with Piped but I just imported my youtube subscription list instead). There is also NewPipe too!
If you’d rather dump YouTube entirely, there is Odysee and PeerTube. Though for most people they’re just not viable, total replacements. Only you can decide for yourself on that matter.
Enjoy!
Edit: If you want to export your YouTube subs and playlists you’ll have to do Google Takeout; but after that it’s super easy to import/export them from Freetube and Piped whenever ya want.
Odysee has an extension that redirects youtube videos to odysee if its available
https://github.com/kodxana/Watch-on-OdyseeLet’s not forget: https://github.com/revanced
Vinegar is a Safari extension for iOS that turns the YouTube media player into a generic iOS one, completely bypassing all of these restrictions. I’m not savvy enough to know if it’s something Google can kill or not, but it’s working great for me right now. Even lets you do PiP and background play.
Remember when YouTube was just a video of a guy at the zoo? Pepperidge farm remembers…
Those suckers sold it to google for a billion dollars. They got screwed.
Wish Jawed Karim never sold YouTube to Google. But alas…
If he didn’t sold it to Google I don’t think he have enough budget to maintain the site
Yeah, they had the better technology (Google Video was very bad) and Google had the money.
What was bad about Google Video? That was my favourite of the two: nice UI, clean, good recommendations
The thing that stuck with me was that I always had the impression that the Video quality was much worse than on Youtube. IIRC when there was content that was available on both platforms, Youtube had the much better picture and sound. But maybe that was just specific to the content I watched back then. There was not THAT much to see in the beginning, not like today where you can spend 24h straight and always see new stuff :-)
Fuck this shit with the force of a billion adblockers.
That’s did news. Perhaps after mastodon grow massive thanks to Elon, and Lemmy grow thanks to reddit, we see peertube get his time to shine thanks to Google… #fuckupyourcompanyFAST
I’d love to see PeerTube grow just like these platforms, but I think it’s a lot more complicated to get people to use it than mastodon/lemmy.
Twitter/Reddit weren’t used as a major income source like YouTube and Instagram (I am saying this based on famous people in my country, I don’t know how it goes on other places), and so are easier to replace. The people posting and discussing topics don’t do that for the money, they do because they like it.
YT and its monetization system made possible for people to make a living from the content they produce, and many wouldn’t like or simply couldn’t sacrifice this income source just to go to a more ethical and private platform like PeerTube.
Another thing to add to that, computer text is amazingly dense. An audio file of me saying just the first word takes up more bytes than this whole comment. Each english ascii charicter is a byte, each non-english char is 1 to
34 bytes.Audio can and usually is compressed quite well. When it’s just human voice, you can be very aggressive with losing specific parts of data.
Videos however aren’t as simple - unless you go with very short ones, which YouTube doesn’t.
They can still ask me to join their Patreon using PeerTube.
Text is fine but you can’t really expect the Fediverse to serve heavy media at a large scale
That, and content creators that aren’t hobbyists need to be paid. Some of my favorite channels rely on ad revenue. Sure, things like patreon exist, but the system won’t work without a fair way to compensate content creators. Obviously blasting people with insane ads, especially ads that are often political, isn’t the way forward.
Media that’s meant to be free, e.g. uploading videos with no expectation of revenue, should stay that way, with community support to keep the platform alive. But content that is professionally produced as someone’s livelihood also needs a way to survive.
Unfortunately a lot of people think “fuck all that, I’ll watch what I want, I shouldn’t have to pay, it should all be free.” I’d rather pay specifically for the content I like and support those creators than the blanket “put ads on everything” YouTube has adopted.
The streaming crash has only just begun.
If they really force me to subscribe, I will… to Nebula.
You should do this anyway - it funds great original educational content, and is quite good value.
Not with the same clickbait YT content there.
What Nebula really needs is some content that isn’t just people talking about stuff. I can appreciate a video essay now and then, but it’s the whole platform. I have a subscription right now, really only because of Philosophytube, but I can’t really find anything I’m that interested in watching.
It really needs some like sketch comedy, tech reviews, dumb little videos of people out doing stuff, or like, cats sitting on roombas. Cater to something other than wanting to listen to people blather their opinions all day.
I get what you are saying.
For me, though, almost everone I am subscribed to is on Nebula, except of the Linus Youtubematic Universe. Not aure though if they are worth the floatplane subscription.
Are you really asking this right now?
Yeah, probably not. But tbh, I watch them only for entertaiunment and the stupid stuff. I’d never go for their product reccommendations, even before the current storm.
The ads are not the true problem. The tracking and profiling is. They keep the rhetoric about the ads while forcing both. I’d be kinda okay with just untargeted ads. Maybe not fully okay but I’d be far more willing to tolerate them. This privacy violating thing the modern Internet made a norm? Hell no!
It’s weird because there’s lots of studies showing that tracking users’ interests isn’t even that much more effective than targeting based on the page content.
Efficacy man not always translate to ad sales.
When you’re selling your product and school and society have told you that you need to know your democratic, when you get to that ad manager page, you want to see your ad only being paid for on that demographic.
You’ve been told you need is, and you’ll pay.
Unfortunately from their perspective that isn’t apples to apples. They can charge higher rates for targeted ads.
Unlock users: purge cache and update. A fix has been deployed.
purge cache and update
Music to my ears.
I have yet to see this running ublock origin on firefox
Same. And the instant I do I will stop using youtube.
YouTube has gotten nice guy aggressive with fucking ads, especially on here … Instead of the video you see instant ad. I will not watch the ad so I click back and instead of taking me back to my app YouTube shrinks the ad then keeps it there I have to press back another two times to get the fuck away from YouTube so I can copy the link and open it in Firefox with ublock origin. I love new pipe.
Can’t wait, i should quit YouTube anyways
YouTube can, in the strongest possible terms, absolutely go fuck itself lol
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I did. Don’t miss it one bit.
Maybe one day all of the mega corporations on the internet will finally drive me from the internet itself and I’ll finally do something useful with my time.
Until that day…
Like play video games
BATTLEPASS MICROTRANSACTIONS DLC DLC DLC FOMO ROTATING DAILIES ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION PTW
…I think I’ll go with indie games.
I didnt say anything abouth that, i meant in general, i myself play 90% retro games and the other 10% low spec games that thend to be indie since i only have a potato device and am poor. Dont know were that came from, although I agree with the fact that modern AAA gaming sucks but this felt agressive, so chill out m8.
Very much agree, the older games generally are better, and even the non-retro ones are generally low-spec.
I actually have a very high end Laptop but I also have a Tab problem (I don’t close them often) which means even with Firefox I usually burn though a lot of the RAM on tabs (assuming I haven’t clicked on the old ones yet after a restart)
I was making joke, not disagree with you. This is not Reddit.
Most of the really good games are older games, there are a few gems out there that are newer but a large majority of them are the old ones.
