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Hey everybody! Lets all return to the office! Quick! Commercial real-estate landlords aren’t rich enough. We need to fill those buildings ASAP!
Office buildings are either test tubes or petri dishes depending on the height to width ratio.
Office buildings are test tubes, schools are petri dishes.
Where does that leave nursing homes?
Morgues.
I’m in Europe and it’s anecdotal but there are SO many acquaintances that are sick with corona right now. Also not particularly mild, some are in bed since 1+ week with bad symptoms. Fuck this virus and fuck the people who don’t care about the well-being of the person next to them.
Japan here. Both wife and I have many sick coworkers. Nearly all of them were corona positive.
I have the first friend that has really bad long-covid now, too. She’s visibly weaker and exhausted. Ouff.
Also in Europe (Germany) and there have been a lot of people OOO due to illness. So far my family has stayed free of it.
It blows my mind how upset people get about masking. During the two primary years of Covid where I isolated and masked religiously, I didn’t get sick once or even have allergies (despite visiting parks often).
Now companies have RTO and try to get everyone in on the same days so illness spreads like wildfire. People sitting right beside me hacking their lungs out.
I used masks, got the vaccine and boosters, washed my hands religiously and so on. Still got sick. With something as transmissible as corona a lot of it is just luck, good or bad
It blows my mind how upset people get about masking
The pandemic is when I gave up on the notion that diehard conservatives had even a shred of intelligence or morals. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing from them.
The mask helped against my allergies too!
It was a bit of a disappointed when I noticed the world wanted to kill me of allergies and a simple mask would help me out.
It was easy before having a child. After having a kid it’s impossible.
People do not want to be told what to do. They do not want to be inconvenienced.
Personally I hated wearing a mask. it was a huge pain in my ass, and mostly unnecessary most of the time except on public transit or in like a very crowded place like a grocery store.
If wearing a mask is a pain in your ass then you’re wearing it wrong.
Depends, a lot of people talk out their ass. :P
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Where exactly were you wearing a mask other than crowded public places? Nobody ever told you to wear it at home.
In my country, there was a mask mandate in all enclosed areas except private residences, even when you were the only person there.
In what non private residence enclosed places are you alone? I can’t think of any. Are you talking about hotels or… Because yea that would be ridiculous. But also, since you’re alone it’s not like anyone can enforce the mandate or even know you’re not following it.
In my case, it was a hackerspace. It has windows to the street, so if the police would have happened to go along the street and see that, they could have intervened.
There was one report in the newspapers where they fined a small card playing organization due to that, but of course they were a group of people.
Nice anecdotal story. I know many people that masked and still do and got multiple brands of vaccines and multiple boosters and still got sick multiple times. So which one of us is correct? Neither. There are far more variables that matter.
So which one of us is correct?
Spoiler alert, it’s the other guy, the one who was following the advice of medical professionals and reducing spread.
What a twist!
Do you not understand what “reduction” means?
Nice anecdotal story. I know many people…
Love when people follow up calling someone elses arguments anecdotal by providing their own anecdotal arguments.
How sick did they get? Consider that people who get vaccinated aren’t just less likely to get it, they’re also less likely to have serious cases.
You know, even before COVID-19, there would be flu, rsv, etc. outbreaks and there would barely be a blerb about it. People would send kids to school sick, literally everyone would catch it, and it sucked. Maybe less lethal, but it still sucked. And I always caught whatever was going around cause we just didn’t have the culture here.
At least now there’s more recognition, some people might wear masks, and there’s a fighting chance I don’t catch the thing everyone gets that season (at least in California where it’s still ok to wear a mask without ridicule).
Except my sister gave me COVID two months ago since I let her stay here to avoid homelessness. Can’t fix bad habit family members, and getting a false negative on a test gave her confidence to get me and my baby sick. Ugh, bad times.
where it’s still ok to wear a mask without ridicule
Serious question, why are people being ridiculed for wearing masks in the US? Is this generally how it goes in all of the US?
I’m from Asia and most countries here have been wearing masks even before the pandemic for multiple reasons - pollution, not wanting to spread sickness including the basic cough and cold not just flu or COVID, when at a clinic or hospital, etc. I wear a mask even when I just have allergic rhinitis just so that I don’t accidentally blow snot all over somebody else. No one would bat an eye here if you wore a mask.
I don’t understand the negative connotation to wearing masks and why anyone would care if you’re wearing one.
US culture is founded on individualism at the expense of everyone else. A lot of people buy into the idea that any kind of government imposed action, even as minor as wearing a face covering that even helps the wearer, is a horrible tragedy and assault on their ability to make bad decisions. Those people are belligerent and numerous.
The US government were also months late to handling COVID, and the conservative leadership in power was actively demonizing safety protocols such as masks, vaccines, social distancing, etc not to mention their own Center for Disease Control, to the point that a fair percentage of the population is distrustful of medical science and unwilling to consider those safety protocols.
A lot of the news media (left and right) focused on things like getting people back to work in spite of the ongoing pandemic so it really forced the narrative away from collective safety and survival into economic prioritization and the illusion of normalcy.
The news media also focused on the demonizing by conservatives for more advertising clicks instead of promoting the safety measures by the CDC as reasonable and worth listening to.
But abortions must be banned, because 'murica.
There is no logic, just very bad people.
Politics, the party in charge decided that the best response was to pretend the problem didn’t exist and maybe it’ll go away. Wearing a mask is a very public sign that there is a problem.
Yeah. In Malaysia before covid, every flu season i could see some people(not a lot) start wearing mask, and people masked up as well in hazy season. Just before Covid become the pandemic i can see people already started to wear one before the mandate. Of course, nowadays some butthurt netizen will still jab at those wear mask here and there, but other than that, i still see people wear mask everywhere i go, which is a great thing. Sanitary and personal health shouldn’t be something that get ridiculed.
But then again, it’s Asia, and SARS is pretty big back then.
because wearing a mask is for pussies.
it’s really as simple as that. it’s seen as weak and pathetic and makes you an object of ridicule.
Is this you saying that or are you quoting some other people?
Comment history is looking like they are serious lol
Protecting others is weak and pathetic? Alrighty then. Bet you’re a “Christian” too.
Those outbreaks didn’t kill a million people Ina year, and did not strain the hospital system to the point of breaking.
Well, there was the Spanish flu which also lead to mask mandates and other social safety measures as covid.
It’s certainly more deadly, yes. That’s why it got more attention. But I’m young and the risk to me is about the same, plus that’s not really my point. I’m mostly saying that I’m grateful people actually care about hygiene for once, 2020 the first time in my life I didn’t catch “the thing going around” since I didn’t have a jackass coughing on everything at work or school.
Mask mandates are not about protecting you, they are about limiting the spread throughout the population. You may have even had it with no symptoms and gave it to someone else, and the spread in the population as a whole is the threat.
I haven’t seen a trend towards people caring about hygiene around the midwest.
I am mostly referring to the shift here in voluntary masking, but yes, Midwest would be a bit different. When the mandate ended here, people continued to mask up if they (1) are at risk, (2) feel a little ill, (3) just felt like it. If I tried to mask up in 2018, I’d get weird looks!
And yeah, hand washing picked up, too, although not sure if it kept up. One perk of living in a blue area of a blue state in any case.
I’m not sure if there will be any more mandates because of masking fatigue, but the science does say that one way masking is still effective.
Flu absolutely killed a grip of people when it was new.
It eventually became endemic and what we live with now. More or less what we have with covid. It will rear its ugly head every year as it mutates. Some will get it and have a rough time, some people’s immunity or vaccine will help make it less deadly contagious as it was in 2020.
Life goes on. Wear a mask or don’t, but we are way past the point of putting the genie back in the bottle
If half the population wears a mask during a pandemic, it won’t slow the spread very much.
Leaving safety measures as a personal choice for contagious diseases is like letting everyone decide whether or not they want to stop at red lights based on personal preference. Sure, you can be in a rural area and pretty much ignore most stoplights without an accident, but in a city the negative effects will be rapid and deadly.
Some 40 to 70 thousand people in the US die every year from the flu. I think the big thing is most people don’t care until it affects them personally. It’s been weird seeing covid coverage be all, “THINK OF THE DEATHS” as if that meaningfully would change much
1 million+ vs 70k… hard to compare COVID to flu
40k to 70k isn’t even correct. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
Meth is hard.
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IMO people should wear masks if they have to go out with any cold/flu type illness. Stops them spreading their germs to other people.
When I feel ill I wear a mask at work or when I have to get food but otherwise I try to stay home.
Why would you go to work if you’re feeling ill??
I would presume because their work insisted?
Covid spreads easily because people who have it are often asymptomatic.
For god’s, sake, it’s been 3.5 years. How do people still not know this?
Why hear mask? Dont leave the house. But the police should make sure this happens!
Physician here. Masks absolutely reduce transmission and the chance of contracting COVID.
Here is the definitive study on the subject.
Here is a video of a presentation by one of the authors along with some demonstrations and explanations.
TLDR: Here is the Abstract:
There is ample evidence that masking and social distancing are effective in reducing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) transmission. However, due to the complexity of airborne disease transmission, it is difficult to quantify their effectiveness, especially in the case of one-to-one exposure. Here, we introduce the concept of an upper bound for one-to-one exposure to infectious human respiratory particles and apply it to SARS-CoV-2. To calculate exposure and infection risk, we use a comprehensive database on respiratory particle size distribution; exhalation flow physics; leakage from face masks of various types and fits measured on human subjects; consideration of ambient particle shrinkage due to evaporation; and rehydration, inhalability, and deposition in the susceptible airways. We find, for a typical SARS-CoV-2 viral load and infectious dose, that social distancing alone, even at 3.0 m between two speaking individuals, leads to an upper bound of 90% for risk of infection after a few minutes. If only the susceptible wears a face mask with infectious speaking at a distance of 1.5 m, the upper bound drops very significantly; that is, with a surgical mask, the upper bound reaches 90% after 30 min, and, with an FFP2 mask, it remains at about 20% even after 1 h. When both wear a surgical mask, while the infectious is speaking, the very conservative upper bound remains below 30% after 1 h, but, when both wear a well-fitting FFP2 mask, it is 0.4%. We conclude that wearing appropriate masks in the community provides excellent protection for others and oneself, and makes social distancing less important.reduce
Sadly, a huge portion of the American public don’t have this word in their vocabulary. Masks and vaccines either eliminate all risk, and “work” or don’t completely eliminate all risk and therefore “don’t work.”
This lower ape thinking inflicted so much unnecessary death and suffering here.
It’s an intentional thing, pushed by propagandists. Thinking in absolutes reduces the need for critical thinking skills as whole. When you can make people boil everything in the world down to a binary, its very easy to tell them how to think, and equally easy to define the “out” group you all hate.
To wit, when masks “work or don’t work”, you can look at the people telling you to wear masks, and because masks “don’t work” they’re wrong, and if they’re wrong, then the people we aren’t telling you to wear a mask are right. You should always follow people who are right… right?
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TY! Also a physician. So tired of this discussion. Everyone is masked in my clinic. Anecdotal, and my partner and I are still covid free, and hope to continue. Masking, distancing, hand washing, and isolation when sick, these simple, time tested, behavioral changes can significantly reduce risk of infection.
Just took care of my 80 year old dad with the new CoV-SARS variant in NJ. Despite being out if date for boosters, I managed to not catch it by following the recommended protocols. Social distancing, regular cleaning, and masks inside do work to reduce the spread.
I’m in Australia and half my kids class was sick last week. Me and the kid both tested positive today. It is pretty rough.
Nobody here cares at all any more. This is my first but most people are on their 2nd or more go around. Its not even discussed, there are zero masks, and people are sending their kids to school sick.
All our care and caution just in the bin because people just don’t give a shit
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Yeah and dickheads without a clue or a sense of morality will continue to take other peoples lives to save themselves a minor inconvenience. Murica!
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There are 7 million dead people who I’m sure would argue that point if they could. Do you think a respiratory disease spreads through some other means? Or do you just not understand anything about the situation?
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“yall should accept covid killing people cause I want the freedom to unmask” is quite the shit take
Americans are a fucking shitstain on our society man. Douchebag
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because wearing masks did shit. that’s why.
vaccines did.
wearing masks did shit
Citation needed.
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it’s not about science. it’s about public perception. masks didn’t stop covid. vaccines did.
people will not wear masks again. they would probably get another vaccine though.
ending covid = getting rid of mask mandates, in the publics viewpoint.
Ok, in this context you are right in spiritt. Masks are stoping tje spread, but in the grand scheme of things it is mostly about slowing it down.
However I don’t think saying the masks do nothing is right at all. Masks are still useful.
Except he’s not right in any sense with that logic. “masks didn’t work because people feel like they didn’t work” is not a valid argument.
He is right in sense that vaccines “stopped” covid, while masks were mostly just slowing it down but not enough to “stop” it. That’s what I meant by being right in spirit. Otherwise I agree he is wrong.
No, vaccines slowed covid even more than masks, but covid is still around. “Stop the spread” is a more catchy slogan than “Slow the spread” would have been.
I’m not just going to downvote you here, because I think this is an information problem.
Here’s a cool video about mask efficacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GndKYJ4uBI
And a study on the topic: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm
The tl:dr is that masks are ac5ually extremely effective at reducing infection by respiratory diseases if both the infected and uninfected parties wear them.
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It’s funny, I didn’t get COVID while I was wearing a mask, but caught it after we were vaccinated and I stopped wearing them.
I’ve never stopped wearing a mask in public transport/while grocery shopping etc. and I don’t think I will =/
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Fuck I am so sorry. Gonna continue wearing the mask for people like you especially.
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I still do, though nearly zero of that is due to virus stuff. I’d say for me it’s 95% I’m too lazy to retrain myself to keeping a neutral expression, 4% because hiding my ugly mug seems polite, and 1% sickness reduction ( combination of allergies, flu, covid. Etc)
Valid
+Help mask my Bad Breath.
Also I don’t smell others’ bad Breath/BO as much. Heavy perfume still gets through …“silent deadly” farts…not sure…
Me neither. I’m also in a part of the United States where people seem to give a damn at least a little more. I’m never the only person wearing a mask in the stores I shop at. And shockingly (not really), we have a lot less COVID-19 than the national average.
So, not planning to stop any time soon.
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Are you sure they weren’t just being recorded anymore? How many people continued to test themselves and informed the responsible people? I know at least in Germany we don’t have any accurate numbers anymore.
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For me that would just be anecdotal data and I would not base my actions on that.
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Bit defensive there eh? It was also medically licensed doctors that recommended ivermectin as a cure for covid. Hope you didn’t follow that advise:)
Good luck getting the ignorant masses to mask up these days.
At least locally there’s a clear anti-mask attitude. There is no way you can get a middle aged man, who listens right wing media, to wear a mask again. They reminisce the last time like a lost unjust war and because covid didn’t hit bad here, they think it was just a hoax of the pharmaceutical industry.
Yeah, I think that ship has sailed. When the covid wasn’t as bad as originally thought and with the reports that masks weren’t all that effective even the people who were gung ho aren’t likely to mask up anymore. And I’m not trying to downplay covid or mask effectiveness, but rather talking about the feeling people have right now.
Covid WAS as bad as originally thought!
The whole point of the precautions was to reduce the spread enough to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed and more time to release a vaccine before everyone got it. Hospitals were very close to collapsing in a lot of areas, and if it had not been slowed it would have been far worse.
Don’t confuse successful mitigation with the disease not being as bad as originally thought.
Covid WAS as bad as originally thought!
It was feared as something that would kill people left and right with almost biblical proportions, as the modern day black death or something. You can blame media for overhyping it to sell the news I guess but a lot of people got the idea that it would be a lot more than it actually was.
Don’t confuse successful mitigation with the disease not being as bad as originally thought.
It wasn’t as bad as we thought at first and we managed to make it another season flu almost, so of course people are going to regard the thing as no big deal now. And it would be a really hard job to convince them otherwise
It absolutely was not just another seasonal flu. Do you have any idea how many people died?
It’s now so diminished and most people had sore throat or little fever, that’s what I mean. Seasonal flu kills a shitload of people but nobody really cares about that either.
Looks like I’ll be masking for 8 hours straight on my flight home. It’s a bastard (my glasses fog up constantly), but that’s life.
I just hope it gets tamed before term starts since I’d rather not be forced to teach hybrid again (the style of lesson where every student loses)!
Look into mask tape, it’s double-sided tape that goes along the inside bridge of the mask. I buy a pack of 100 strips on amazon and it lasts me a couple months. Cheap and easy and completely solves that issue.
Will try this out - thanks for the tip!
My wife and I are going to the US from Japan in roughly a month. Our first flight is something like 12 hours. Not going to be a fun one. I’m hoping her first time in the US and mine in 5 or 6 years isn’t spent with corona. We’re also visiting my elderly grandparents for what may be the last time, but I’d certainly rather not MAKE it the last time by bringing disease with.
Get a piece of tissue paper and fold it into a thin lengthwise strip. Put it on top of the bridge of your nose and underneath the mask. No more fog.
Buy a few good reusable masks (that you can run through the washer) that have a metal strip inside to conform to your nose. Have the top of the mask up high on the bridge of your nose and push down on it so the metal strip conforms to your nose shape. Rest the plastic feet of your glasses on top of the metal strip, so that they’re resting on the mask and not on your nose. That’s what I figured out keeps my breath from escaping the top of the mask so it eliminates fogging.
You could use a bandaid to seal the top of the mask across the bridge of your nose. This will prevent air from escaping up and fogging up your glasses.
Honestly I’m sad for everyone that works manual labor. Wearing a mask absolutely lowers the chance of both transmitting covid and getting covid, but working in 90+ degree weather lifting heavy shit for 8 hours a day wearing a mask sucks. It gets moist as all hell and fogs your glasses.
Source: I unloaded trucks outside all day 5 days a week for the entire summer of 2020 and 2021.
I was a cement truck driver during COVID. They do not wear masks. I also drove long haul and no wearhouse workers wear them either.
A lot of people are doing manual labour in a mask even without COVID, but simply to protect their lungs from excessive pollution in a workplace. Don’t be sad, working in a mask is a norm.
I mean I understand why people do it, but it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t suck and doesn’t make work just a little less tolerable for those having to deal with it.
Have you worked manual labor in a mask in the summer?
In the US, it’s extremely unlikely we’ll see more masks being required unless we see the Healthcare system getting overwhelmed with sick Covid patients again.
Politically it will be suicide for the democrats.
I don’t know, the people who threw hissy fits about masking were Republicans, who, historically, don’t vote for Democrats.
You’d be surprised, a lot of democrats (so called anyway) were pissed off about wearing them too. Especially in the inner city.
Did you form that opinion from social media? Because there are certainly plenty of Democrats who were upset over masks, but you would never see it on Reddit. Though Republicans are probably more likely than Democrats to be against masking, as I vaguely recall from some polls on covid.
Polling generally showed Democrats supporting masking by a massive margin. The most recent poll I could find (April 2022) had support for mandatory masking on public transportation among Democrats as 80-5.
From social media, media, and my personal experience.
It’s a conundrum for me in my part of the US. Do I risk catching covid or catching hands from stupid people?
Well, if they do attack you, you can sue them and then own their double-wide? I don’t know if that’s a win or not, though.
And a truck with nuts
The double-wide might already have nuts on it!
you realize that civil suits take years and a lot of money? not all of us have 50K in the bank to hire a lawyer for 2-4 years so we can get the payout.
Hm maybe I should’ve held off on giving away all my extra masks…
I kept mine, still have a huge package. My thought was to use them in the winter months anyways. Always like that about countries like Japan. Even if it’s not a deadly worldwide pandemic, I think we can do a bit to spread less sickness with really only a tiny inconvenience.
True that. I still have the washable ones so I guess they’ll have to do for now.
No wait! Boris came on TV and said it was all over. He wouldn’t lie, would he? Oh, yeah.
