To the ~33% people who have downvoted this: you’re literally arguing against a person’s right not to have their body receive unnecessary surgical manipulations until they’re old enough to actually consent to it. Babies are not their parents’ property. Let people decide when they’re adults.
Unfortunately a lot of Americans believe children are the property of their parents. We need a children’s bill of rights.
Children don’t pay taxes and cannot vote so good lol with that :-/
The UN already has that, the convention on the rights of a child. Every UN country except the United States has signed.
Alternatively we could be downvoting the overt antisemitism in the meme. It’s overtly racist.
Referencing the fact that the vast majority of AMAB Jewish babies get circumcised is racist?
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People who later on identify as trans women are circumcised without consent when they’re babies. Leave the far right bullshit outside.
Simple biology isn’t far right lmao
No it’s the bit about the blood being sucked from the wound by the Moil that the meme references by replacing a straw with a hot dog. That’s the antisemitic part as that isn’t common yet is directly referenced here.
Anyone promoting chopping off a piece of a baby’s body and literally sucking the piece off with their mouth should be taking some flak. I mean, think about that idea for a minute. What the fuck?!
How is that antisemitic? Honest question. What am I missing?
You’re missing lunacy in your life. Just ignore the troll and report.
Ok, suggest a form of parodying a circumcision in a meme that isn’t racist, according to you.
One that doesn’t explicitly mention a specific race would be a good start. It’s not hard to identify racism when it is this obvious. Why are you having problems doing so?
Unless you got yours done by a rabbi using his teeth, your opinion doesn’t matter on this topic.
And I’m sorry, but a parent’s religion shouldn’t be more important than the child’s right to choose if they have their whole dick.
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How is it racist to protest against genital mutilation?
Broke the cycle with my son. It was insane the amount of people who didn’t even belong to a religion that this is a symptom of, who were pushy about me having it performed. If my son wants to be cut, he can make that decision for himself later in life. All of the atheists I know, were the ones that were anti-mutilation.
If my son wants to be cut
Why the hell would he want to? If there’s no medical reason, there’s no reason at all.
At that point, he would be an adult making a decision. It doesn’t matter why for us in regards to his choice. Maybe he becomes religious or succumbs to social pressure. He could get a Prince Albert, too, or those weird beads.
As a parent it’s their job to protect him from harmful societal norms and religious indoctrination until he becomes an adult. Hopefully the education sticks long enough for him to deeply understand and respect his body, to seek out more helpful mentorship when needed, and pass along that education and protection to his future potential children.
It’s not that I disagree, I just can’t imagine anyone who’s not broken in the brain to want this.
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Tell that to the chick who turned herself into Barbie or those twins that did… whatever it was to themselves and thought it looked anything but horrifying.
Yes, I’m straight up saying they’re objectively ugly af. Don’t even care if that’s some kind of discrimination. They’re just dumb, they made a stupid mistake, and I don’t even think they’ve admitted it to themselves yet.
They had every right to do it though. It was just a bad idea in every single humanly possible way.
I’m from muslim family but atheist and have nothing against it. Like, it is just operation that become too popular at some point. Or was forced on people to prevent an epidemy of some sort. It is still recommended across many surgeons at least as far as i know. It is just easier to recover from when you are younger. Similar to recovering from smallpox.
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I am surprised by amount of negativity on this sub. Like it is almost impossible to have a decent conversation. People just go nuts about operation which is about hygiene. Good luck, guys. I just don’t see myself here
Yeah, why would so many people have negative views on chopping off part of a baby’s body?
Weird.
I’m cut, and like it that way. But your position is flawed.
If you believe in evolution then you can agree that foreskin exists for a biological function, right? It’s not about hygiene, that’s dogma. It’s wild that it’s based in religion originally because if ‘god’ made you in his image it’s pretty fucked up to immediately alter a baby to be different.
It’s funny when people assign the term ‘negative’ to anything they don’t want to hear about.
You don’t have to read anything you don’t want to. Move on if you don’t have anything to contributeSo I actually have no dog in this fight but I read this
If you believe in evolution then you can agree that foreskin exists for a biological function, right?
Counterpoint: that was before “pants.”
Good question though, most of the animal world has retractable peni, why’d we lose that ability? Now I’m curious.
Also, shouldn’t the religious oppose it because it is fucking with “God’s creation?” Frankly them supporting it seems like flawed logic to me.
No, mutations are mutations, they have no purpose, some are beneficial and are prioritized by evolution.
So you’re saying we lost retractable penises “just because?”
Cause I looked into it, and it seems that since we walk upright there’s less of a chance at scraping it on the ground, so we can trade dicksheaths for extra room in our hips which would likely help moving around on two legs, which makes sense.
Let’s note here that evolution doesn’t care for “functions” or “utility” as much as it cares for “reasons”. We won’t be the first nor the last animal to get screwed in a shitty trade-off that natural selection deemed necessary. Humans are notorious for being born far more defenseless than most other mammals - evolution forced it upon us because otherwise our larger heads would kill far too many mothers.
I hadn’t even thought about pants as being a compounding factor. It seems unlikely that cavemen had better cleanliness education than we do but smegma build up would be a problem even for them… Unless underwear/pants are what cause it to build up.
It was originally the Jewish convent with God. Idk why I was sliced, but it became common in the U.S.
It’s an oddly barbaric tradition to keep around for so long without a religious rationalization. Most circumcised Americans are not Jewish
If you’re an absolute pig that doesn’t wash his penis, yeah it’s better for hygiene. I have a better solution than chopping of your peepee, though: how about you fucking wash it?
Atheists are angry a lot, especially young ones in the us.
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Yes many surgeons recommend operations for no reason at all.
Surgeons idk obstetricians absolutely do.
The smallpox analogy is false. It is a simple procedure as an adult. There is no reason to force it on people who can’t consent.
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Wait can we say retard again? I thought that was one of the no-no words adults have been forbidden to say by other adults.
isn’t this true for a heap of non Jewish American males too?
Mostly just in USA (any maybe Canada?)
America isn’t near the top, here is a map from Wikipedia:
I think the difference is that it is performed in the US even without religious background.
Usually this happens because the parents would be Jewish or Muslim.
IIRC in America it was done as a supposed way to curb masterbation, and as time went on it instead stuck because nobody ever questioned it much.
People today still try to defend it with alleged hygiene and health benifits, mainly because people rarely take “your penis has somthing wrong with it” very well regardless of how kindly you phrase it.
It was connected to hygiene as infected foreskins were a common problem in WWI then it became a thing of matching the parents.
Turning to anyone and telling them they are defective/deformed is the height of classlessness. You shouldn’t be surprised when acting like an asshole isn’t well received.
Wow. This is the first I’ve ever heard of WW1 being referenced as a hygiene standard. Do you have a source for that?
The world war is called the world war because a ton of countries were involved and the US were the only country that had problems with foreskins?
I don’t think this is true
No the USA is the only one that reacted by widely recommending circumcision. Others had this problem and confronted it differently.
Yeah… opponents of the practice haven’t exactly chosen the best phrasing with, “your penis has been mutilated!” either.
So I can understand the stubbornness.
They’re not wrong.
mutilate
verb
transitive verb
1 : to cut up or alter radically so as to make imperfect
2 : to cut off or cause severe damage to a limb or essential part ofIdk I think it’s rather perfect just so.
But it has been mutilated.
Or Christian
If you look at the map the predominantly Christian regions are by far at the bottom of the list with the exception of the US and Australia.
K? They’re not zero and I know my dick is the way it is because of Christianity.
That 20-80% variance makes it look as though Australia and America have the same rates of circumcision
Yeah what a weird scale.
Researchers like, “I ain’t tryna look at Icelandic dick tho”
Did you mean Greenland? Iceland looks in the 0-20% category.
Or am I just not getting a joke…
Yeah, because Muslims do it too
It’s interesting how many apparently religious people feel the need to hang out in an atheist community.
The amount of concern trolling that happens in here is astonishing… And frankly the amount of anti trans, anti gay replies and up votes in the replies here is concerning.
People like to concern troll about how their specific religion gets targeted while simultaneously bashing on the gays. It’s infuriating. We need much more stringent/frequent bans. Reddits r/atheism was like this too before they actively started banning people for it.
There was an entire subreddit dedicated to the sheer amount of concern trolling, JAQing off, and other crap that r/atheism had to endure. It was r/ShitAtheismTakes and was set up by one of the moderators, iirc. I don’t believe this community is safe from those same trolls, and more moderation will be needed to keep them at bay. Religious folk attack in droves.
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It’s also people who are seeing the overt antisemitism of this meme thinking that it is not ok. Atheism does not excuse racism.
Interesting comments and opinions. I know that coming from a non-religious family, I was circumcised after birth because the doctors stated that it was better for hygiene. However, I got an infection (from the surgery) and spent 3 extra weeks in the hospital, nearly dying.
Thankfully, my following siblings were not put in that situation (and I had no long-term issues). And although I do believe that it is better for hygiene, it also takes the majority of nerves out.
Today, I believe that it should be an optional surgery or when medically required. In today’s world, it is largely unnecessary.
It’s not better for hygiene if you just wash your dick when you shower.
Yes! Humans literally evolved to have a foreskin so it has to provide an advantage beyond any added risks, even under pre-historic hygiene conditions.
If it truly posed a health risk then that would immediately impact an individual’s ability to reproduce and it would have shrunk and disappeared over thousands of years of breeding.
And what happens if you are, as a random example, a desert tribe with scarce resources?
And what percentage of modern circumcised people does that apply to?
Give it another thirty years and we’ll see!
that map has to be wrong. it’s rare in Australia, it was deemed unnecessary and cruel in the 70s. only people over 50 have it here unless they suffer from certain religious affliction.
casually sips their water while they read the comments unfold over a weewee meme I love the internet.
We’re truly Reddit now. This always causes a comment filled thread lol
No comment on gential mutilation, but that picture just put the uncomfortable phase of “meat straw” into my head. Thank you for that gift.
The title aside. I thought the meme was joking about the crazy ass “mohalim” ritual aka rabbis sucking off babies. And so I find the meme alone a success.
and americans lol
I agree it should not be done unnecessarily. I’ve hooked up with plenty of men in my lifetime and have seen some grotesque circumcisions.
The most common botched ones I’ve seen are when the skin bridges to the head or when the circumcision was done too tight (and causes issues when erect). I’ve also seen some pretty gnarly scar tissue along the shaft, but that seems to be less problematic. I am curious if folks with botched circumcisions are still supportive of it, since it’s so ingrained in their culture.
Im not expert but this one doesnt look healthy and its leaking
My most genuine wish would be to see the people caring about mutilation, consent and bodily autonomy to take a look at what we do to non-humans in animal agriculture, apply their convictions consistently and go vegan.
I feel that. I had my foreskin removed due to medical reasons when I was a child. Could not imagine doing that to my child without reason
Ok, so ignoring the meme. What is that? I mean, it’s clearly a hotdog but what is going on here?
Looks to me like a hotdog used as a straw
