- cross-posted to:
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- cross-posted to:
- main@sh.itjust.works
cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/1823812
This is an update to my previous post about suspicious inactive accounts on a handful of instances: (https://sh.itjust.works/post/998307).
I ended up messaging the admins at the 16 instances show in the attached image. I pointed out their wild user numbers, and referenced the lemmy.ninja post detailing how that instance scrubbed suspicious accounts from their user database.
6 admins responded. They had all noticed the odd accounts and either thought the numbers were wrong, or weren’t sure how to purge the suspicious accounts without nuking their databases. In the end they managed to delete a combined total of about 338k dormant accounts from their instances. (One of the instances seems to have gone down since then.)
I never received a reply from the other 10 instance admins, though 8 of those 10 instances appear to be down (as of 27 July 2023). 2 instances are still up and unchanged.
Between the actively removed accounts and the downed instances, this represents a loss of 930,004 inactive Lemmy accounts!
You can see the drop in the graphs on The Federation. The total number of Lemmy accounts has been cut in half over the past 3 weeks, from a peak of 2.18M to today’s 1.09M. The change is mostly from these 16 instances.
I have to admit, I did not expect such a large change when I started this! Hopefully this bodes well for Lemmy’s future as a place where actual humans interact, rather than a cesspool of automated comments and upvote/downvote brigading.
That’s all I have for now. Keep your stick on the ice; we’re all in this together.
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Great to see the transparency with which this is handled
The transparency may be my very favorite part of Lemmy. It’s almost feels like these people are invested in it’s success instead of it’s profit.
It’s a very early internet mindset where success == profit.
Open source vs we’re a business mentality
Early internet grassroots collaboration stuff.
Unfortunately no website is safe from the cancer of AI/bots. The Internet is truly in trouble.
Those are crazy numbers… WTF?
If that’s is the reality for Lemmy, I can’t imagine the number of bots giant social networks have. Crazy.
Thank you for your work.
That’s the thing, right? Those giant networks’ admins surely know how inflated their userbase is. They surely know that a lot of the activity is bot faked/manipulated.
But since the end goal of those networks is generate traffic to sell something (ads, user data), they never purge the bots. They need fake engagement. They might even promote it. The human user is just being used (Cf. Stallman’s use of this term).
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Well, thanks for being part of the problem.
I want to celebrate two things. 1. Your awareness of the potential dangers looming over the fediverse. 2. Your proactive attitude curtailing the problem at its root. From one human to another, thank you!
I don’t think I’ve ever upvoted something more enthusiastically in my life.
Cheers and thank you.
Thank you for your work!
What are qualifications for being an active account? I didn’t see any details in the other thread about it either, just the graphs. Is it just post/comment creation? Is it page views? Log ins? Does voting up or down register an account as Active?
If it’s only post/comments then you’re possibly deleting a bunch of lurkers too.
Very nice, let’s try to keep this place as clean as possible
Thank you for your efforts to keep this place clean and civil, and especially for the transparency in describing how you’ve dealt with such annoyances. You have my respect.
You have my sword.
And my ass!
Are you really a bot?
No that’s been my nickname for 15 years
Cool!
Sounds like something a bot would say.
Yeah, I’m sure a bot would use it’s critical thinking skills and out itself as such.
>actual humans interact, rather than a cesspool of automated comments and upvote/downvote brigading.
Thank you! That’s why I left the other place. You’re doing God’s work, anon.
If the women don’t find you handsome, they’ll at least find you handy.
- Red Green
Found the Canadian eh?
When an account is signed up, is there information such as client ip address that could also be used to spot more inauthentic activity? And more generally, sign up should probably be made resistant to automated bots by randomizing HTML layout & ids and using captchas so it’s not so easy to drive sign up through scripts.
May I politely ask how did you realize those inactive accounts
That’s actually really interesting. What’s the purpose of so many inactive accounts at once?
Seems to be enough to have a few of them, and not a million accounts since it clearly will rise suspicion… :)
Very good that you found them. Fascinating.
Maybe an attempt to try and make the fediverse look more active than it was back then, to get headlines about how it has explosive growth etc. It was June and everything really took off then.
> What’s the purpose of so many inactive accounts at once?
That really is the million dollar question. I don’t know. My fear is that they were intended to sit unnoticed until someone had a malicious use for them. Maybe to mass upvote/downvote certain content to make it more visible. Or to become active at an opportune time to make divisive posts and comments. I saw many accounts like that on Reddit; they show no activity for years and then suddenly come alive and spew garbage. I’m sure we’ll see some of that on Lemmy next year since there will be a major election in the US. Though hopefully less since a bunch of suspicious dormant accounts are now gone.
It’s a smart move for a spammer to create a lot of accounts in the early days of a platform, before more restrictive signups with mail verification, phone verification or captchas are in place. Look at how difficult it has become to register on Twitter or Facebook.
Perhaps something akin to this, sleeper cells for some nefarious purpose, e.g. influencing elections.
I’m thinking of making inactive accounts so I can create communities on other instances. I wanna make an old trek community on the Star Trek instance, but I wanna moderate it from this instance. So I would make an account, make the community, and transfer ownership.
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But I think putting all the Star Trek content on one instance is a neat idea and I want to participate in that idea
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I can still make a community on the star trek instance from my own instance? How?
We need to find a way to get indexed on Google, Duckduckgo and other search engines.
Probably happening to some degree already, unless no robots is checked. No way lemmy jumps as high as reddit in seo for random things for a long while
