• loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    15·
    1 year ago

    I think you are going in on the wrong foot here. Distinction between petty bourgeousie and bourgeoisie is not relevant here. The commenter is saying landlords being leeches is why small business owners are skimping on paying good wages (which in turn causes the “labour shortage”). This is fundamentally wrong because it is based on false assumptions. Supposing a small bussiness owner is given possession of their rented land, there is no guarantee that the money they save will be used to pay better wages. In reality the guarantee you can guarantee the opposite. They will pocket the difference because that is how the logic of capitalism functions. They will just pay the market wages for the labour anyway.

    The talk of which classes will or should be antagonised and which won’t be is detached from the topic.

  • ☭ 𝗚𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗘𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 ☭@lemmygrad.mlMEnglish
    14·
    1 year ago

    The petite bourgeoisie as a whole has bourgeois aspirations and most will likely act against the interests of the proletariat, but I’ve never heard any communist seriously claim that they need to be executed (although it depends to what degree they fight back during a revolution; if they try to retain their capital through violence, it will have to be violently expropriated). They will need to be re-educated for their new proletarian role, and the feasibility of doing so depends on many factors, but there’s no need to kill someone who doesn’t resist

    • Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      While true, I think communists need to acknowledge the coercion at play here too. I’ve personally worked for plenty of managers in my life who sympathize with the workers they are tasked with supervising, but their hands are just as tied by their higher ups to do anything about it.

      Just something to keep in mind when we find ourselves in dialogue with members of the management class.

        • Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml
          2·
          1 year ago

          Better material conditions of course. Benefits. A manager with an expensive chronic illness is gonna need that health insurance. A manager with kids to support is gonna need that employer-sponsored savings account.

          We need to recognize and emphasize the coercion factor that divides the working class, not focus so much on the moral failings that come from that.

  • redtea@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    Sounds about right to me. I’ll chip in with some more theory if you don’t mind.