• Arete@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Do we have clarity on whether the shooting caused the stampede, or vice versa? I thought the former, but this source is alleging something a bit more nuanced.

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      8 months ago

      Not sure about the stampede but there’s a lot of pictures on Twitter of Palestinians with bullet holes in their head. It’s news to me that stampedes can cause that.

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        8 months ago

        From what I’ve gathered, many were shot in the upper body but many more died due to a stampede in the chaos that came after IDF shooting at a crowd with thousands of people.

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      8 months ago

      Eye witnesses say the shots came first them the stampede. I think Aljazeera has footage of the moments before it all started.

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    8 months ago

    IDF initial investigation: majority of Gazans have died due to a stampede or got run over by the trucks while trying to get to humanitarian aid and approximately 10 Gazans extremely close to a Tank and a IDF infantry squad the IDF soldiers shot towards the lower body part after the soldiers shot warning shots in the air according to rules of engagement.

    mods can i post the video here for proof?

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      Proof would be something, because their word is not trustworthy at all. And the onus of proof is on the IDF. They’ve killed more than 30,000 people in 4 months. They’ve destroyed half of the homes in Gaza and destroyed the hospitals. They’re keeping the people under siege, starving them of food and water and depriving them of medical care. Are we supposed to believe the IDF is being careful and conscientious? The evidence is before the world’s eyes, despite the IDF killing a good number of the journalists reporting on it. It would be quite in keeping with all this for the IDF to have killed the people in this news story as well. And even if there was a stampede, was it caused by the IDF opening fire? If so, they still killed these people.

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      8 months ago

      How do you look yourself in the mirror every morning

      • i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.worldOP
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        8 months ago

        by looking at the mirror?

        i heard echo chambers make you psychotic but i didn’t expect them to effect this bad

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          8 months ago

          Your charge of echo chamberism would stick a little better if you could find a source to support your claim that wasn’t the propaganda arm of the israeli government.

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            what kind of propaganda arm reports atrocities of it’s own country?

            honestly your propaganda claims are as strong as your genocide claim

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              I know you are but what am I

              I am rubber you are glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you

              They’re not “reporting the atrocities” they’re minimizing already known and incontrovertible atrocities. Downplaying. Pointing the finger in directions other than themselves. Pretending its not as bad as it, in fact, is. Y’know, lying. Because they are the de facto propaganda arm of the israeli government, you see.

              Yes, my propaganda claim is as strong as my genocide claim, excellent point, well made.

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                minimizing already known and incontrovertible atrocities

                that are from hamas, you hold a terrorist group’s word more authentic than an army that is acting against agressors

                my propaganda claim is as strong as my genocide claim

                their goes your credibility

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          8 months ago

          Congratulations, you just won the “most ironic comment I’ve seen on Lemmy” award. Welcome from Reddit, we aren’t glad you are here.

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      8 months ago

      Sounds like a tragedy in that case. A mob of people can be super scary and dangerous even to themselves.

      I’m going to guess this was not an orderly queue situation.