LOS ANGELES (AP) — A new California law that bans people from carrying firearms in most public places was once again blocked from taking effect Saturday as a court case challenging it continues.
A 9th Circuit Court of Appeals panel dissolved a temporary hold on a lower court injunction blocking the law. The hold was issued by a different 9th Circuit panel and had allowed the law to go into effect Jan. 1.
Saturday’s decision keeps in place a Dec. 20 ruling by U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney blocking the law. Carney said that it violates the Second Amendment and that gun rights groups would likely prevail in proving it unconstitutional.
The law, signed by Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, prohibits people from carrying concealed guns in 26 types of places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos. The ban applies regardless of whether a person has a concealed carry permit.
Why is it that states have nearly absolute power when it’s something a Republican wants but if it’s something a Democrat wants the state is a tyrant?
California has a long history of trying to keep guns out of black people’s hands. Black Panthers, for example. In other words, it’s not only about Republican vs. Democrat here. Interesting history.
Shhh, they don’t understand nuance, you might hurt their brain with the knowledge that gun control started as a racist thing (and often still is bigoted, look at republicans whining about pride events arming up after that nightclub shooting a few months ago)
Probably because carrying and owning firearms is a right, turns out it’s pretty hard to restrict people’s rights.
The same law would get blocked if it banned free speech in public
We all know that rights aren’t universal. 1A isn’t, 2A isn’t, none of them are. In other words, it’s easy to restrict people’s rights. The question is always how much the courts will allow.
I mean, it isn’t. You name the right, I’ll name how it’s restricted.
To go with your example, these are examples of illegal speech, i.e. restrictions on free speech in public:
- Fraud
- Defamation
- Threats
All of those things are things that cause real, direct harms, with speech as the weapon. (Also, defamation is a tort, not a crime.) On the other hand, lying, for instance, is absolutely legally protected speech, except in fairly limited circumstances. I can quite legally lie on my resume to get a job that I wouldn’t otherwise get, and about the worst that can happen is that I can be fired. I can lie about being a Navy Seal and having gotten a Medal of Honor in Afghanistan, and there’s pretty much fuck-all anyone can do about it (“stolen valor” laws were deemed unconstitutional by SCOTUS).
Mere ownership of a firearm, or even carrying, does not cause a direct harm. Brandishing a firearm–which is usually defined something like ‘threatening someone with a firearm’–is the rough equivalent of the things that you list.
All of those things are things that cause real, direct harms, with speech as the weapon.
Neither Federal nor State legislators - nor judges - care whether or not a crime is victimless. See e.g. the War on Drugs.
Also, defamation is a tort, not a crime.
That makes defamatory speech easier to restrict by reducing the plaintiff’s burden of proof.
Defamation is also a 3-pronged test, assuming that you aren’t talking about a public figure. It needs to be false (truth is an absolute defense against defamation), you need to have either known that it was false, or have had reckless indifference to the truth, and you need to have caused some kind of measurable harm (and hurting your feelings isn’t a measurable harm). All of that is played out against a field of lawyers in a civil suit that charge by the hour. Defamation is actually quite challenging to win in the US, unless the person that is alleging defamation has a lot of money to spend on attorneys to buy the defendant.
This is a specifically enshrined Constitutional right. That’s literally the purpose of the Bill of Rights and states don’t get to ignore them.
Which well regulated militia are you in?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A new California law that bans people from carrying firearms in most public places was once again blocked from taking effect Saturday as a court case challenging it continues.
Saturday’s decision keeps in place a Dec. 20 ruling by U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney blocking the law.
Carney said that it violates the Second Amendment and that gun rights groups would likely prevail in proving it unconstitutional.
Gavin Newsom, prohibits people from carrying concealed guns in 26 types of places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos.
Following Saturday’s ruling his office issued a statement saying, “this dangerous decision puts the lives of Californians on the line.”
The president of the California Rifle and Pistol Association, which sued to block the law, countered that “the politicians’ ploy to get around the Second Amendment has been stopped for now.”
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Good. It was a dumb law. It would stop no one from having or obtaining a gun. It wouldn’t stop anyone who would possibly be thinking of doing harm with a gun from still having one in any of those areas. Its not like there’s a controlled area at a park where you have to go through a metal detector and get frisked to go in it. At best it would mean anyone who was a “bad guy” with a gun would try extra hard to flee from police or shoot at a cop in order to get away if they were in one of the places where they’re banned and about to be stopped and searched for anything else. It’s not a law that would curb gun violence.
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