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There’s plenty you can criticise about the Soviet Union, but it’s patently false to claim it was worse than the Tsarist era that preceeded it.
Personally, I don’t like the tsarist era either for the Jewish pogroms and huge wealth inequality, but there were steps to industrialise and reform (albeit too little too late). However, to then claim the Soviet Union was an improvement when it arbitrarily imprisoned kulaks, and to a certain point just three people into prison and accused them of being kulaks, committed the mass genocide of Ukrainians in the Holodomor and overthrew a democratic government and replaced it with a one-party dictatorship that didn’t even tolerate difference of opinion within itself just rubs off wrong on me. Thoughts?
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I think the Russians were hungry under the Tsar, and very hungry under the Soviets.
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It was worse than the tsars
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Did the Tsar have gulags?
Did the Tsar have a surveillance state?
Did the Tsar enforce a man-made famine that killed hundreds of thousands of people?
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Did the Tsar have gulags?
Did the Tsar have a surveillance state?
Did the Tsar enforce a man-made famine that killed hundreds of thousands of people?
Alright, those are just too on the nose, which one of you is this?
“I can excuse Pogroms and massive wealth inequality, but I draw the line at imaginary bad things Stalin did.”
“Wait, you can excuse pogroms?”
That title on the reddit thread is misleading. No thoughts to be found here.
Thoughts?
Nope, none
Did the Tsar have gulags?
The Tsar literally invented the fucking gulags, and after the Soviets reformed them they became the most progressive, least dangerous prisons in the world.
Ok that’s bs, prison conditions in general and work camp conditions in particular were what you would expect in a backwards agrarian country desperately fighting off waves of external aggression while trying to industrialise - horrific.
Little known fact: the soldier in It has Come to Pass is actually marvelling at the smoothness of the liberal brain.
so smooth it has dissolved into pure light
Guys the tsars weren’t all that bad okay? They were incredibly competent at getting shot.
Anticommies
you mean fascists.
Tbh I heard talks from quite bourgeois history professors regarding the October Revolution and the first step was always to highlight how bad tsarist Russia was. They shitted on the Soviet Union and the October Revolution a lot, but I never heard something like that tsarist Russia was somehow better than the soviet union regarding the quality of life for the population.
Personally, I don’t like the tsarist era either for the Jewish pogroms and huge wealth inequality, but
Normally I would point out the obvious anticommunist -> profascist connection, but it’s so fucking obvious here
I don’t like the Jewish pogroms. However,
Every lib ever on the history of the XXth century
Little Nicky being a historical fuckup is one of the few things that virtually every historian agrees on.
why the fuck do ya’ll like the tsars? Ya’ll are fucking peasants (not specifically but you get what im getting at), we all are! Fucking morons
Whenever someone mentions kulaks I ask what they think about batraks and if they don’t know the word I disregard their opinion, simple as that
I agree there were famines and purges and relocation of 1.3 million kulak families into inward villages of Russia. But we have to see why it happened , under Tsar the status quo of kulakization was maintained. Farm lands were under landlords and village capitalists and production was low. Stalin wanted to modernize agriculture by implementing collective farming with modern machines, soviet people and stalin made some gross miscalculation as they thought the transition to machines will be quick and fast paced. It was not but anyway the modernization or urbanization went ahead. There was cultural revolution and Reformation in all of Russia. Similarly, the purges were set against corrupt people but it unfortunately became too ideological and certain good people who criticized certain policies inside USSR became it’s victims. Nonetheless, with mistakes and trials and tribulations a whole illiterate, backward society defeated the Nazi and went space.
