The US is sleepwalking into fascism. Well, don’t say we didn’t warn you.
Half of us are being dragged, the other half is pulling us. It’s illegal for the ones being dragged to protect themselves from the ones pulling us as we live in a state.
Then there’s the leftist non-voters who seem to think that if you don’t choose Republican or Democrat we default to peaceful communism.
I’d say it’s more like 40% of us are being dragged by 25% of us while 35% watch on, refusing to participate either way despite the fact that they’ll be dragged in next.
Ya, I was having trouble with the fractions, I figured people would get what I meant.
You either get dragged fast or slow. No difference.
Oh, the fascists are waking wide-eyed awake straight into it. And they’re dragging the rest of us with them.
I’m wide awake, my heart is pounding, and my vocal chords are shredded from the screaming. Not all of us are asleep. 1/3rd of the country actually wants this.
1/3rd of the country actually wants this.
Not-so-fun fact: in 1930s Germany, the highest the Nazi Party ever performed in a national vote was 37%.
“Its like poetry, it rhymes.”
- George Lucas
It’s not sleepwalking if we all know that it’s happening and are screaming about it, but nobody in power is doing anything to stop it.
Fact is, like any normal distribution, 2/3 if American voters are uneducated centrists that dont understand how their system of government works or what the meaning of scary political words mean. To them, the world is just fine, but that Biden feller made me sleepy so fuck him.
Most Americans have no idea what is waiting for them on January 21st 2025.
sick of this talking point, we’re wide awake and the warning signs are all there.
Yep law and justice is either complicit or nutless and that’s why we’re all sweating this.
What worries me is that we keep getting reassured that someday, at least one of these 91 charges will stick and it will take care of everything. But I see absolutely zero reason to believe that there will be any consequences whatsoever. The delay tactics have thus far been working and his popularity just grows and grows.
We are wide awake and still letting it happen; and we see it happen in other countries the world over. My only conclusion is that this is what people want.
I disappointingly keep finding out people at work support him and now I just assume no matter how decent someone might appear… they probably deep down are shit. I have to awkwardly avoid conversations about their dumb world views whenever politics come up. It’s concerning the number of every day people that want this shit.
It’s always from someone who doesn’t live in the US, too.
Good thing you guys learned from 2015 and not giving him 10x more press coverage than other candidates. No way that could go wrong. It’s not like there is no such thing as bad publicity…
An older relative is here for the holidays and was watching some YouTube yesterday. Somehow, there exists a 30 minute which talked all about what a genius Trump was and how he doesn’t like electric vehicles. Just this endless stream of “Donald Trump visionary policies on…” and his brilliant predictions that were all true. No details, references, or a critical thought about how Trump probably doesn’t know that there’s anything inside the parts of the car he can’t see.
Edit - what I am trying to point out is that this goes way beyond traditional news outlets. I don’t think this guy watches a lot of news. I do think he considers himself well informed. We are Canadian, BTW. He’s into cars (and an incredible mechanic as well as being a generally good person I enjoy spending time with) so this is on his feed.
He’s into cars (and an incredible mechanic as well as being a generally good person I enjoy spending time with) so this is on his feed.
Which aspect of cars is he into and which Youtube channels does he watch? I’m curious if there are any particular channels that have led him down the “pewdiepipeline” and what differences there might be between my feed and his that have spared me from any overt exposure to the same garbage.
Sorry, working and not going to dig in that deep :) but seems like he is into restoration of classic cars from the muscle car era back to the 1930s. I am not into cars at all.
That part can’t completely change simply because the mechanics of it are too fundamental and too blunt. A Presidential candidate who is the front runner for one of the two parties saying they want to deploy troops is news. It’s newsworthy. They can’t just ignore it and if they did they would be doing the news anymore.
It’s the same as all the way back in 2016 - after Trump won the election, the NYT published a lengthy, complicated story detailing his many conflicts of interest which probably took a team or reporters months to do. And on the same day it was published Trump tweeted that there had been “3 million fraudulent votes” (still waiting on the evidence of that btw).
That move drowned out the conflict of interest story by a lot, and more than that - the president elect saying shit like that is actually genuinely news. The news media can’t just ignore it.
They’ve gotten a bit better over the years at dealing with him . Now they’ll say stuff like “Trump asserted yet again, without evidence, that he won the 2020 election” instead of just regurgitating his nonsense without context. But them ignoring Trump isn’t the answer.
The problem here is that many Americans want this guy as president the first place.
It’s the same as all the way back in 2016 - after Trump won the election, the NYT published a lengthy, complicated story detailing his many conflicts of interest which probably took a team or reporters months to do.
There’s still plenty of room for criticism of the media, though – like the fact that the piece you mention was published after the election instead of before it, for instance.
It’s absolutely maddening. I’m not especially sharp about politics and the media, but in 2015 I was on Twitter and FB saying, “Stop fucking saying his name. This is how he’s going to get elected.” People can’t not talk about him. Even if the story is about what a stupid, evil loser he is, you’re giving him power by talking about him all the time.
He didnt get elected because of coverage. He was elected because the conservatives in America hated Democrats because of misinformation surrounding Obama’s policies which they then transmuted into racism.
That’s fair. I should have said - without the media giving him the spotlight every day, he would never have been taken seriously as a candidate. That’s what I believe.
Bad take. Refusing to cover evil doesnt make evil go away. Removing the option for the public to see his sociopathy doesnt mitigate it.
I guess this means the 2nd amendment crowd finally gets their opportunity to use their stockpiled guns against the government in a case like this? /s
Yes, exactly right. You do not need the /s at all because that is the purpose of 2A.
that doesn’t work though when at least half of the 2nd amendment supporters voted for fascism. What are they going to do, take up arms against the party they voted into power themselves?
This exactly. These fascists will point their guns squarely at liberals and Democrats in the name of their country.
Remember when Trump said he could shoot a person in Times Square and get away with it?
His supporters loved him for that because they want to do this too. They want to get away with murdering people.
Make no mistake: we will have another coup if Trump is “elected”. The question is will there be enough people to stand up and rise against it.
I hate to say it but I’m not optimistic on that.
I am still curious how it works in their mind. They see troops deployed and they what exactly, random acts of terrorism? Like you look at the places that led successful guerilla campaigns against real militaries and they are all in places where real poverty is rampant. Not talking about you live in a trailer and work at Target. More like you grow opium in some valley in Afghanistan or rice in Vietnam. Remember the Bundy Ranch guys ordering takeout?
I can’t see any gun owner I know just deciding to go live in the woods, willing to survive on what food they can salvage while getting their own kids to plant landmines.
Not /s, you’re exactly right, you should move to the left and be prepared as well.
There’s a lot of people sounding the alarm, but it seems liberals still don’t believe what conservatives have been straight up telling them for years.
It’s weird that they won’t come out and say, “My plan is to lie down and take it. But they better ask nicely if they want me on that train!”
I plan to stick it out. My wife has dual citizenship and we are in the process of getting our kids the same. If it really comes down to it they can flee abroad. If we are at the point where the US is not letting people leave there is no point in prepping for anything.
…insert a not like that meme here.
Those in charge in the government are not dumb, they’ve learned over 100+ years how to propagandize those that want guns to not see them as the enemy. It’s not a coincidence that the gun nuts are courted by the right.
Yep! And no, we won’t be fighting tanks and drones. As with all politics, the fight will be local. We’ll be fighting the local Committee for Public Safety, Brown Shirts, etc.
If you think the Brown Shirts won’t magically get armored vehicles and air support then you didn’t pay attention to the part where the Brown Shirts turned into the SS and Gestapo.
Yes, but they start somewhere. And they are not starting in my hood.
Trump is a danger to the world. Put him in prison.
Fucking put him somewhere. Depth is optional imo.
Launch him into the fucking sun.
An amazing fairy tale would be Cheeto chimp in gen pop.
Ah yes, the nazi wants to build concentration camps to murder the brown people. This is in line with his platform.
The irony with this is that the vulnerable people crossing the border would otherwise pick up low wage manufacturing and menial labor jobs that create wealth for the nation and farmers, but it seems that republicans are banking on poor white babies to grow up and accept those jobs in 14 years and be good republican voters. I don’t see the pendulum swinging so hard to the right that the strategy would ever work.
Ah yes, the nazi wants to build concentration camps to murder
the brown peopleanyone who disagrees with him, anyone he sees as a threat, anyone who is in his way, anyone who can be classed as an outsider or a misfit to portray as an enemy so as to keep insiders in line, anyone who does not perfectly toe the line of submission to the new state, anyone who exhibits “subversive” thoughts, behaviors or statements, anyone who is critical of him, any one who has ever called him a spraytan antichrist, mango Mussolini, or Vladimir Putin’s love interest . . .FTFY
P.S. I am so completely screwed, lol
The only voter strategy they care about is rigging districts until they’re guaranteed power. Hungary is their model, if you want to look into how Orban has essentially made himself dictator.
Isn’t that illegal?
Yes. Now ask if anyone will stop him.
Umm…. Will anyone stop him?
Their silence is your answer.
Voters, hopefully.
If not them, then no.
So… how does one stay out of the camps?
Be white and don’t speak out when the atrocities start.
Haha - believe it or not- straight to the camps.
It’ll be a hard sell to military leadserhip I think
Has that honestly ever stopped Trump before?
Not if you’re the president.
Lolbruh doesn’t matter.
Never forget that George Bush closed the southern border for 48 hours. That’s as long as it lasted. Then big business farms and other companies who desperately rely on immigrant labor got in some people’s ear.
If Trump does this it would destroy the economy.
Wouldn’t be his first time absolutely destroying a valuable money making system with his stupid tiny hands. Everything he touches turns to garbage.
If Trump does this it would destroy the economy.
He’s literally already done it once. The Ag sector, especially family farms, still haven’t recovered from his blatant mismanagement & immigration screwups.
DeSantis apparently didn’t understand that wealthy republicans prefer to have illegal immigrants working for them and the anti-immigrant thing is just pandering and marginalization. When he tried to enforce labor laws in Florida by the book it was similarly unpopular.
He is not concerned with the economy. He is concerned with consolidating power.
Read his plan. Project 2025.
The thing I am most concerned about is a nationwide abortion ban. We have already seen how badly the legislation is crafted on the state level and no country has attempted to do it on national level the same way.
Miscarriages are common, ectopic pregnancies are common, medication used for abortion has other medical uses. We could legit face a situation where getting pregnant gives you fairly high chance of dying or being incarcerated. What happens next? I know if I was a woman I would definitely get myself sterilized.
I’m still finding it extremely unlikely he’s electable. Not saying we shouldn’t take it seriously, though.
Over the years many conservative anti-vaxxers have died from covid, boomers are dying off, and anyone who wasn’t already a trumper isn’t exactly lining up.
Most economic indicators are trending very well; meanwhile the abortion topic continues to backfire tremendously.
2022 proved polls don’t sufficiently capture millennial and zoomers.
I’m GenX, and I wouldn’t answer a poll if you paid me. I will vote, and I will never vote for a Republican for the rest of my life. If there’s no Dem candidate on the ballot for a specific office, I leave it blank so they can see how many votes they’re not getting when they don’t run a candidate.
My plan for the next year is to answer every opinion poll.
I’m going to tell every pollster who will listen I’m not voting because I won’t vote for republicans, and Democrats haven’t done anything to deserve my vote - because they had 60 years to make abortion access federal law, they have had numerous opportunities to unwind Medicare Part D, and in 2021 they should have made the ACA better, overturned Citizens United, fixed the Voter Rights Act, and worked to improve turnout by mandating federal voting holidays (amongst other things), but they didn’t, and instead their whole modern platform is that they will slow walk the U.S. into corporate and theocratic ownership slower than the Republicans.
And then I’m going to vote anyway, because I’m not a child. But I won’t be telling pollsters that. The Democratic Party needs to fear what their milquetoast policies have wrought.
That’s not how polling works
It’s not, but evidently polling isn’t capturing these groups effectively. Again, as 2020 and 2022 proved.
I don’t answer polls as a GenX, but I sure as hell vote in every election. I will never vote for a Republican. Polls won’t capture voters like me, and voters like me are not just millennials and zoomers.
Polling isn’t as simple as adding up responses and reporting the percentages.
They use complex methodologies to account for inaccuracies exactly like your good self.
That’s not to say that polls are necessarily accurate - clearly they aren’t, but to say “polls won’t capture voters like me” is incorrect.
The problem is that’s only half the battle. What do you do when his legions of supporters decide they don’t like losing and take it out on the rest of the country?
Let them string themselves out. They will lose. It will backfire as did January 6th.
He might want to check to see how the troops and their leaders feel about that.
He (probably will be) the executive branch of the government. Unless his orders illegally suspend constitutional rights, the military must follow their CICs orders.
Edit: for all of the downvoters, what about Trump’s plan to deploy troops on American soil is illegal?
Not necessarily, the American military operates on chain of command. The worry is the current blocking of military appointments over bullshit. If they can steal long enough trump can install people who will follow his orders. Otherwise you can deny an unlawful order. Trump can only give orders to those ranked immediately below him.
I refused an unlawful order once.
It helped that everyone enlisted immediately agreed, but it escalated up the chain of command very quickly after we asked for a written order until it was agreed that it was a miscommunication and never happened.
To be fair they could order you to do a lot and just hope you do the implied, even verbally said, but unwritten thing. But when I was in we had clear training about what was and wasn’t unlawful to prevent abuse. If we had done it and had no proof we were really 100% officially ordered then it could have been pinned on us. Which is why my first response was, is that an order? Followed with citing the written order that said we could not do that thing and asking for a written order to do the thing. Just following orders works both ways.
Okay, so hypothetical situation, Trump makes an illegal order to General so-and-so. General refuses to comply. Trump has that General removed and replaced with a sycophant. In this actual case, he’s saying he’ll deploy troops on the ground on American soil, which I don’t believe is an illegal order.
Believe Hayes made it illegal. There a few exclusions though, if I remember correct, an insurrection was one of the exclusions. I imagine Desantis knew this when he stated he would put troops on the other side of the border in Mexico, not realizing that would clearly look/be an invasion of Mexico. Or realizing and being dumb enough to think that was a smart move.
There are precedent for not following illegal orders. The Nuremberg trials made that point very clear.
You’re assuming it’s illegal. I’m pretty sure the commander-in-chief can declare various types of emergencies and deploy a response, at will. The potentially illegal part is theres usually limits, including very short time periods, unless congress ratifies the choice. Then who’s in half of congress is so far up Trump’s ass, they’d ratify covfefe
The Nuremberg trials were only allowed to happen because of how badly the Nazis were beaten at the end of WW2. They also didn’t possess nuclear weapons. If the Americans were about to critically lose a war like the Nazis did, to the point where they would be standing trial for warcrimes a la the Nuremberg Trials, they would probably detonate their arsenal.
Also, is it illegal to deploy troops on your own soil? I wasn’t aware of that rule.
Fun fact, deploying troops inside the US is very restricted without an act of Congress to create an exception to the Posse Comitatus Act. Unless he tries to invoke the insurrection act. But at that point he would be asking the military to suspend civil law and order in an area. And that’s absolutely something that requires the military to consent to doing.
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It’s like Emperor Palpatine, but credulous.
Everything else aside for a moment, trump sure it’s an incapable little bitch that is really just a mouth piece for stephan miller. trump is so weak, stupid and powerless even his hate and fascist tendencies have to be directed by another idiot. Little-handed clown boy.
If you don’t think a Trump presidency would result in an invasion of
PolandMexico, you might want to pick up a history book.Execute that fucking traitor - legally or otherwise - then use his fat, rotting corpse as a public pissoir.
I was with you until you called him fat lol
If your sensibilities toward that traitor are triggered, replace ‘fat’ with ‘bloated’. Or perhaps ‘overflowing with his own ego’.
