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      Well you’re entitled to your option … but it’s a dumb one and you should feel bad about having it. Also, I’m going to needless drag unrelated politics into this.

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          As a supporter of the other political party (since there are only two, internet equals Murica), I ignore your arguments and attack you with an ad hominem

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        You weren’t replying to my comment, which is nowhere near this chain of comments, but I think you were targeting me. Your satire is too close to being serious. I declare that you’re an idiot. Fight me now.

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    Can’t tell you how strongly I disagree. It feels like the first people on Lemmy are the most insufferable know-it-all and holier-than-thou types from Reddit. Say anything about Microsoft or Windows? Here’s 15 commenters telling you how much better they are for having Linux, and 2 commenters on topic, only to be called inferior by the Linux users. Same for Photoshop, same for social media, same for any paid software.

    And everyone who has an opinion must insult anyone who disagrees like it’s political Twitter, only by people who think they’re smarter cause they were never on Twitter.

    Lemmy is so toxic it’s delaying its development. People lurk cause there are too many assholes talking over everyone else.

    The only thing that’s better is there are less of those “um ahcktually”, pedant types. If you say “everyone”, people mostly understand you don’t literally mean “everyone.”

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      You must be a car driving capitalist tankie to be hatting on this place.

      jk, I definitely agree. This place is way more radicalized than Reddit, or at least it isn’t nearly as diluted by bots so it seems more prominent… Some dope people around here but I’m definitely losing hope that this place will grow into a cool place.

      It’s all the same topic posts and the same hateful comments, but you can’t even find small active communities to get away from it.

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        I like risa on startrek.webaite, for one. you can def find cool communities.

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      I think the instance really matters. My ‘all’ feed is full of toxic assholes but my subs are mostly rad folks.

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        Totally agree. I stopped seeing toxic people when I left Lemmy.World. idk why that is. It’s not like Lemmy.world is a terrible place or anything.

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      I left lemmy a few weeks ago for this reason and I come back today to see what’s up and it’s exactly as you described. We aren’t the only ones either

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        Same here. Maybe I’ve found a nice echo chamber to inhabit. Back when I was mostly using Lemmy.World I saw a lot of weirdos, but for some reason migrating to a different instance seems to have solved that problem. Maybe OP just needs to find an instance that works for them.

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      When I left Lemmy.World I stopped seeing toxic behavior on the regular. I am not sure why this is. I am following all the same communities I was before, so it’s not like I left any toxic communities. Even the hexbear people seem mostly civil now. It’s like all the crazy people left.

      Maybe you just need to find an instance that suits you?

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      Say anything about Microsoft or Windows? Here’s 15 commenters telling you how much better they are for having Linux,

      Eh. That’s like the repeat of “Reddit is an anti-American circlejerk”: No, it isn’t. Never was. It was simply the place where many Americans first learned that people who live beyond the brim of their burgers actually exist, and have opinions.

      You’re on a FLOSS platform. Don’t be surprised if fanboying for an aggressively monopolistic multinational with inferior technology, held up by duct tape and bribes to system integrators, doesn’t make you friends.

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        Uhh yeah no. I was on reddit for over a decade and the anti-american circle jerk (that is alive and kicking on lrmmy, btw) became much worse over the last few years.

        Lemmy loves to pretend it’s culturally superior to reddit, but now we’ve just concentrated the elitists and political extremists into a smaller pool of users.

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          No, neither reddit or lemmy are anti-American. Not even unamerican. It’s much, much worse: They’re non-American. Reddit by I think a small majority, lemmy much more so.

          If, then, a random jingoist Seppo comes along and considers themselves and their dysfunctional country god’s gift to humanity, well, it’s easy to predict how much people will cheer that on.

          Add to that another, equally exceptionalist, breed of Seppos, just that those don’t think the US is the greatest thing to ever grace humankind, but the worst. That’s not anti-American either, they’re still exceptionalist and they’re still Seppos. Hexbear and lemmygrad are full of them.

          Also y’all don’t get what taking the piss entails.

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        I agree with the sentiment that we are on a FLOSS platform, so most people are going to prefer Linux.

        But the rest of that comment is silly.

        Saying anything about Windows/Max doesn’t mean the commenter is fanboying.

        Also, are you saying you dont believe social media was manipulated to interfere with American politics?

        And the last one really cracks me up about making friends. “Aggressively fanboying” Windows or Mac doesn’t make you friends, but fanboying Linux does? You and I are definitely in different areas of CS then ha!

        I think “fanboying” in general is the actual issue

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          Also, are you saying you dont believe social media was manipulated to interfere with American politics?

          I sense a veritable iceberg of a conspiracy theory, there: You think Reddit and lemmy are “anti-american” so as to influence American politics?

          Pretty much anyone outside of the US doesn’t need an ulterior motive, be given money or whatever to talk shit about the US: You’re providing ample of reason and opportunity to do that as is, there’s no need to get the Russians or whoever involved. Also they’re only stoking flames (on both sides and a couple more), without a base level of idiocy they would have nothing to work with.

          Saying anything about Windows/Max doesn’t mean the commenter is fanboying.

          Why if not for that would they get a negative reaction to that here, then?

          “Aggressively fanboying” Windows or Mac doesn’t make you friends, but fanboying Linux does? You and I are definitely in different areas of CS then ha!

          …you’re in CS but not a developer or devops? You work at a soul-sucking job writing software for machinery or such that for have to run windows? Like, dunno, ATMs? And you and your colleagues developed Stockholm Syndrome?

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      The rules are simple:

      1. Don’t be a communist
      2. Don’t be not a communist
      3. If you have a car, do not talk about it

      If you follow those easy steps you should be fine

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        1. Don’t not hate Capitalism, even as a joke.
        2. Don’t post anything a child can’t understand.
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          1. Don’t admit you use Windows
          2. Don’t talk about any browser other than Firefox, Librewolf or a spinoff
          3. Linux, Linux, Linux.
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            I always poke those bears.

            “Linux isn’t an OS, but you GNU that.” Haha, gets 'em every time.

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            Don’t talk about any browser other than Firefox, Librewolf or a spinoff

            This. I dared to say that I like Brave and I vehemently hate Mozilla and… Oh, boy…

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              Hanging at dawn then?

              I try to use Firefox and Librewolf as much as I can, but the fact is that I’m a student and the websites my school uses for certain classes do not work on Firefox/Librewolf. I’ve also run into issues with certain other websites not running right and then when I switch to a chromium browser everything is fine. I don’t have the knowledge to properly troubleshoot if the problem is on my end or just a shitty website, so it’s just easier to use Brave when I need it.

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          I know these are meant to be funny but double negatives always piss me off so much. Like they are literally useless and make parsing the sentence for meaning harder because they add a bunch of noise in front what you are actually saying.

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        The car thing is insane, even when you explain that you live in as regional area with limited options AND that I can drive to work in 20mins vs 60mins on public transport, you still get yelled at.

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          The sane ones make a decent point about infrastructure (I’m definitely anti-car).

          Blaming the individual for the lack of realistic options provided by the government is pretty nuts.

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            I’m in regional Australia, it’s unrealistic to ever expect public transport to overtake private transport, we’re too spread out.

            I minimise my driving, but I couldn’t survive without my own car, it’s not a black and white issue.

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              Sure. I get that. Where I get kinda confused by some people (not blaming you for this!) is when the extrapolation comes out. “We need cars to cross this massive gap between cities, and that’s why we shouldn’t build this tram line in the middle of this densely populated city”. Similarly, just because I think we should (talking about the EU here) make big investments into rail and ban short-haul flights, that doesn’t mean I don’t see the value in transatlantic flights.

              Sorry for venting, Romania’s a shithole when it comes to cars compared to the rest of the EU.

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                If you replace “cities” with “rural towns” you might have a better understanding of why we still need cars in regional areas.

                Australia is HUGE, the rural towns are far apart and have low populations.

                You can’t run a bus/train every 10-20mins for 3 people, you run a bus/train ever 2hrs for 40 people, and they’ll never change.

                I’m all for accessible cities, for those that want to live in them, but you’ll never get me away from my quiet rural life on the edge of regional centre. The reality is the transport in my town of 40,000 people has an insignificant impact on the environment compared Sydney, for example, with +5,000,000 people.

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                  I do get that for some situations and regions, cars are immensely valuable. I also could not agree more about the difference in environmental impact between dense, populous cities where everyone has a car and small rural towns where everyone has a car. That should be pretty self-evident.

                  All I was trying to say is that here in Bucharest you have some idiots that talk about cars and their necessity as if we’re in the Australian outback, where no alternative could ever be possible.

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          Just check the 15min-Town idea created in France.

          We must realize that most actually town-concepts and public transport are build to seduce you to buy a car. (Mostly in western countries, where the car industry is one of the main successors.)

          Oh the market is 40 min away and outside of the town and the bus only drives every two hours, well better buy a car or get lost.

          Back to the 15-min Town, the concept is, there is everything you need for living (market, doctor, schools etc.) in an area you can reach in 15 min without a car.

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            Australia, 7.8M Km², 26M people. France, 0.5M Km², 65M people.

            You can’t compare rural France and rural Australia, the cities sure, build your 15min cities anywhere the population density suits it, but it doesn’t work in regional Australia.

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        You forgot “Don’t mention you use Windows” and “Don’t say you don’t especially bother about privacy”

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      Depends on the instance. Lemmy world has gotten pretty bad, but Beehaw for instance (no pun intended) remains great.

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        Idk what to say in Beehaw form but I heard they hate communists, maybe because of lemmingrad, I totally understand the position but for me is no go.

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          If you think the anti-communist sentiment on Beehaw is too strong I’m not sure what you’re doing on lemmy.world.

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            If you think anti-communist sentiment on lemmy.world is too strong you might be a tankie. I think you’ll find it’s anti-authoritarianism.

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              You’re putting words in my mouth. I’m replying to someone who appears to find Beehaw too anti-communist, while being on lemmy.world, which as a rule is a lot more hostile towards communism.

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            Well, as I said above, news and World News are aberrations to me, but I never saw beehaw discussions actually, I just heard a gossip and became biased.

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    Really? I just kind of come here when I really want to feel bad about myself. This community is twice as toxic as reddit if you’re not part of the group think.

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      I haven’t found that to be the case, but maybe my groupthink is stronger than I thought.

      I will admit I creeped your comments a bit, but you seem pretty progressive to be. What sort of toxic reactions are you talking about?

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        Just don’t say centrist too loudly and you’ll be ok I guess.

        I’m left leaning center these days.

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          Unless you mean something totally different than the popular interpretation (ie meaning) of the term, then “centrist” is a very politically charged position to take when virtually everyone, whether left or right leaning, at least agrees that things aren’t great right now

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        I have seen the word Tankies a ton since I joined Lemmy, but it seems like people use it for almost anybody that is political at all, lol. Is the definition of it that google gives accurate?

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          It gets thrown around a lot by people who don’t know the first thing about Marxism.

          I’m a card carrying socialist so you think, with the communities I subscribe to, I would have seen some Tankies commenting, but I’ve yet to run across any Uygur genocide or Russian apologizing so far.

          It really makes me mad when people accuse the maintainers of Lemmy of being Tankies when all I can find are very based essays they’ve written about socialist philosophy.

          Edit: Just to be clear, I won’t tolerate any Russia/China apologism. My account being from Leemy.ml means I still see content from the people most likely to be Tankies. I’m always willing to admit I am wrong if someone makes a compelling argument. I’ve just been silent on this topic since people started complaining and this is my first real push back. I don’t want the Tankie slur applied to anyone who doesn’t deserve it.

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            >Lemmy.ml account

            >I’ve yet to run across any genocide denial.

            Mate, how far have you buried your head in the sand?

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              I joined Lemmy before the mass exodus, when the three major servers were Lemmy.ml, Beehaw, and Lemmygrad.

              What do you mean by pointing that out?

              I’ve seen more than my fair share of Lemmygrad posts and comments.

              I stand by what I said.

              I’m happy to look at any links to comments you dissaprove of.

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            Tankies are anything but leftists. They’re authoritarian shitheads that have more in common with the far right. Everything they stand for is at odds with actual leftist beliefs and principles.

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              Tankies is a term used to describe auth-left to put it bluntly communists M8 they aren’t right wing nor are they auth-right they have nothing todo with auth-right m8.most of there beliefs. and principles come from Marxism-leninisim. There beliefs are hard-core authoritarian and heavily auth left-wing

              If you want to read into it then goahead

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie?wprov=sfla1

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    Wow, this post is absolute trash. You seriously took the time out of your day to create such an absolute fucking trainwreck of a post. I’m unbelievably disappointed and I don’t think I am going to be able to sleep at night knowing that such a horrifyingly godawful post exists on this site. My mental health has taken a hit and I may never recover from seeing this post. OP, this is all your fault. If you had just stopped for one second and thought about the ramifications of this crime against humanity, maybe you could have avoided traumatizing thousands of people. But you didn’t. I hope you’re proud of what you’ve done, shame on you.

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    Which communities did you subscribe?

    Because my experience is a bit different, people here seem way more polarized with their opinion (which is always right) and angry at random stuff.

    I think I never saw so many “landlords haters” in social media like in Lemmy…