Millennials: It’s ok to mourn the death of social media::Wired writes how “first-gen social media users have nowhere to go.” Ouch.
I’m just excited the internet is in part going back to its non corporate backed roots with Lemmy mastodon and the like. The internet started that way, and thanks to the enshitification it will hopefully slowly revert back to it
The idea that corporations were involved in social media was insane looking back. The results were exactly what one would have anticipated
Do we have a Fediverse equivalent of Facebook yet…?
yes, Friendica has been around for longer than Mastodon has.
Mastodon has rich media features and such that it could be considered a replacement for modern Facebook.
Now for the legacy Facebook that was more focused on the Facebook wall, homepages, and etc. There really isn’t a replacement but nobody can use Facebook for that now.
As for a replacement for Facebook groups, kbin or Lemmy can do it. Kbin does both the microblogging/status updates and communities.
Someone else mentioned frendica. But I don’t have any experience with that.
Facebook does a lot of things. Depends on what exactly you’re looking for. Facebook allows you to follow friends and organizations (= Mastodon), it also allows you to participate in groups (= Lemmy), and then it has a few other features too.
Bluesky now has a federated server and moving people over. I’m curious how that’s going to play out.
Bluesky is not really decentralized like Mastodon. It’s more like crypto where the bigger you are the more influence you have over the network. There is zero incentive for someone to host a server off of .social since they will control it. Having a BS server does nothing besides provide Jack Dorsey and co with a little free hosting.
I use both and mainly curious because it doesn’t take as much as Mastodon to show you what you want to see. Or maybe I think that because I came from Mastodon to Bluesky, but I understand what both are. People know what Bluesky is but when I bring up Mastodon people are not really interested. Jack Dorsey is also no longer involved.
I’m hopeful that long term, AtProto and ActivityPub end up merged into one future standard. But even if they end up separate, it’s not the end of the world since they’re both open and bridges already exist.
It’s kind of like Atom and RSS. Soon, users won’t have to care or know the difference and eventually, code libraries will make it so even developers don’t have to know the details.
the internet is in part going back to its non corporate backed roots with Lemmy mastodon and the like.
I’m very small part.
and thanks to the enshitification it will hopefully slowly revert back to it
Twitter has proven that they won’t. Reddit has proven that they won’t. They’ve both proven that you can shit all over your own users, give them nothing in return, and they’ll complain for a few days but never leave in any significant numbers. Meta has proven that these shitty corporations can start up wholly new operation (Threads) and the masses will flock to it by the tens of millions.
People have demonstrated over and over that, by and large, they will let these corporations piss on their heads and tell them it’s raining and that they will do absolutely nothing about it.
If by “mourn” you mean “tap-dance on its fucking grave,” then sure!
I just moved to Miami and don’t know where to meet groups of like-minded people. There is nothing on MeetUp, but there are groups on Facebook. I hate that I had to sign into that garbage fire for the first time in years. My whole feed is filled with “suggested posts” of people I don’t know nor things I give a shit about.
I mean, you did move to Miami… why are you expecting sophistication?
Personally, if I moved to Miami, I would expect this at the very least.
Yeah, the other day I had to wade past fucking stacks of junk that doesn’t apply to or interest me, there was a whole wall of stuff that makes no sense at all for me, adverts for services I’ll never use and even study areas that I’m not ever going to need because I’m not at school! Fuck libraries we should burn them all down, how dare they don’t serve and cater to me and me alone!
I mean, I’ve been rooting for the demise of social media for nearly 20 years. I don’t know why I’d be mourning.
FTFY: mourn celebrate
I only mourne reddit, that website was a lifestyle back in the day. Thats why i’m here lol. God I miss the good oll’ days.
Yeah, it is a bit strange. That was a central hub of where I got news, jokes, stayed connected with internet culture. That’s mostly gone now. So many things feel splintered anymore. I’m old so I don’t keep up with the latest games, but that feels all over the place—too many games, too many communities. Streaming/TV stuff—very few people I know watch the same things I do, and I miss the joy of watching something new and then talking about it the next day moments. Worse now is that most people can’t even access the same content since there are too many services. Music is strange now too. Partly, I’m just not connected to pop culture, but also everyone is listening to VERY different stuff (referring to college-age folks—most other millennials I know just listen to NPR, podcasts and 90s mixes). There doesn’t seem to be any monolithic music culture at all anymore. Everyone has super customized spotify playlists. I know a big part is just millennial aging, but also reddit kept me connected to broader things, and now its just like everything else and enshittified and disappearing. sigh … get off my lawn I guess :(
That was a central hub of where I got news, jokes, stayed connected with internet culture. That’s mostly gone now. So many things feel splintered anymore.
Its returned closer to what the internet was BEFORE reddit. People cultivated lists of bookmarks for sites they’d visit for their daily special interests. Lemmy is still a larger audience than what we had before. For jokes you might go to fark.com or somethingawful.com. These were the user driven humor aggregators of the day.
I would love to see someone born into today’s internet landscape try to entertain themselves with lowtax’s poorly written essays about hentai and his beginner knowledge of ww2 tanks.
There doesn’t seem to be any monolithic music culture at all anymore. Everyone has super customized spotify playlists.
I’ve noticed this too. In some ways it makes it harder to find new music.
Makes it harder to find popular music, but way easier to find music that appeals to you personally
Yes, when I come across something I am not familiar with I have a preset playlist of enough things to really get a feel for the style and know if I like any of it.
Honestly I’m probably just going to keep mining the 60s-00s for music like I always have. Now that I have a job and less time to find music I’ll probably never run out lol
It really is a bit weird when people ask me what kind of music I like and I have to think of a way to describe my 1.3k video YouTube playlist of random genre and time period music that I have found in the most random places
I just say shitty indie metal and folk. Folks usually losee interest, or they become curious and find out about Hulkoff and holy locust.
Can you link both of those bands?
(https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCT_NhVY2IYvjTsn0HUsd9Jg) [Hulkoff] (https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCzkRX3sC7hV7O1MKWpM5Aiw) [Holy Locust]
fuck reddit, shell of its former self
ya, thats why i’m here.
Looks like a small formatting issue:
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Sync?
It’s a Lemmy client:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.syncapps.lemmy_sync
Avelon shows both as strikethrough.
Voyager shows those both as strikethrough
I guess that’s one of the downside of using 3rd party applications.
Boost show the strikethrough, not the subscript
It looks like none of the apps for handle the syntax of lemmy correctly, that hurts communication.
Idk. I feel mentally healthier off social media. But its been around since I was in high school and I have no idea how to socialize with people outside my immediate circle now. My social muscles have atrophied.
As someone who was on the internet before social media existed, please let it die in a fire.
Everything now is curated and cultivated by corporations and political entities to weed out any “unacceptable” discourse and content that doesn’t support a particular agenda or narrative.
100% agree. I was learning networking and internet coding back when Javascript was new, web 2.0 was going to revolutionize our lives, and Macromedia was releasing a little animation software called Flash. As an elder Millenial I can confidently say that the death of social media would be the absolute best thing that could happen for our society as a whole. The society was not mature enough for it, still aren’t. Maybe next time it is invented we will be ready and someone will remember to keep the damn corporations out of it.
Were BBSs social media?
They were decentralized. If not federated, definitely connected in many aspects.
I was thinking of standing up an instance of this
Just for friends and family
In of the opinion the term social media needs to be broken into two groups. Ones where you’re yourself by name and one’s where you’re an online handle. The “personal” social media are all garbage, but there’s some alright “unpersonal” social media, like Lemmy for example. BBSs would mostly be the later, but probably would be social media if the term existed when they were popular
I don’t mourn “social media.” I mourn what we had before they started using that phrase.
Facebook was actually awesome back in the late 2000s. I had an account when it was just 4 year universities, that was it’s hey day.
You mean traditional media owned and controlled by people like Murdoch? Or rumors and innuendo spread by word of mouth in pubs?
I know you were le born in le wrong generation like every other hipster complainer on the planet but you’d have hated wherever was popular at any time in history because it’s not about finding a balanced and sensible view it’s about hating whatever is popular.
Also no. I meant the forums, chat rooms and instant messengers we had right before Facebook and Twitter ruined it all.
I grew up on those and they were all awful, take off the rose tinted glasses and you’ll see those chat rooms were basically twitch chat with more sexual predators.
And forums still exist and they’re still awfull, having to read fifty stupid comments of people saying totally off topic ‘yes Bob, we got our cat six years ago’ but it fills the entire screen because he’s quoted the entire script of life of Brian in his signature. Finally you find someone replying to the question you were interested in but it’s only to ask another question do you got fifty more comments from poorly replying to questions in the OP which have been answered hours ago but they didn’t bother reading the thread before posting.
And there’s a million great messenger apps out there, of course none of them are as good as they used to be because they don’t have my childhood friends on, or if they do they’re all to busy with kids and carers to come ride bikes.
Hey, I’m fully on board with your defense of social media, but I think in this case the commenter is just saying “i miss the social media we had before they started calling it ‘social media’”. Even 2004 facebook fits this description, and I’m inclined to agree. I miss social media when it felt more like IRC and craigslist, when facebook was a glorified personal guestbook, etc.
Mourning? More like dancing on its grave. With the fediverse being everything social media 1.0 was and more, there is no need for the legacy platforms. I just hope that the fediverse can get some more traction with folks outside tech circles and we can normalize cooperation and free social platforms as in free speech not as in free beer.
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Once advertising got involved, it was all downhill from there.
“Social media is like a public toilet; anyone is free to use it, no one should drink from it.” -Llama2 70B by Meta
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I feel like it should read, “Millenials, remember to drink water in between your champagne glasses while you’re toasting to the death of social media.”
Gen Z, I mourned Reddit for 30 seconds. Now I’m here.
Nah, forums are more organic old school is cool.
Forums are social media as well, though. They just have different features. “Social media” are all websites and applications which allow sharing of content between users.
I think a forum was just less anonymous. I never remember any name on Lemmy, for example. On the forums ~back in the day~ I actually got to know the people. We even had forum meetings in real life.
If you think about it, atmosphere is social media too
The worst is the ever-shortening of content into an addictive format. It reduces mental clarity.
Especially fuck meta and xitter.
Worst part is that they actually started out kind of great, and killed all alternatives. Then they became progressively worse because of their predatory algorithms and whatnot, and now it’s borderline impossible to get friends and family to switch to an alternative like mastodon or pixelfed…
How do you pronounce xitter?
Think of how the name of current CCP General Secretary Xi is pronounced.
“Shitter”. It’s “Shitter”.
Social Media is cancer. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
You typed that into social media and posted it, just fyi.
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It’s a fair cop
Social Media is cancer
posted on social media
Modern society in a nutshell
you can be part of a system while not endorsing it or critiquing it
So you are willfully participating in spreading cancer? Because Lemmy is social media.
Such a simplistic and frankly dumb take, have you really thought about what you’ve said at all?
Regularl people shouldn’t have a voice, all media should be run and distributed by an authority of some kind? If you’re not rich enough to own a newspaper company then you don’t get to express yourself? Only the likes of Rupert Murdoch should be allowed to set trends and influence people?
Or did you just mean ‘some women are popular on social media for doing things that don’t interest me and therefore influencers and all of social media is evil and I hate it’ because that’s what it always seems to boil down to with kneejerk anti haters.
You seem to think that social media is about giving people a voice. It isn’t. Most social media is set up either to harvest users personal data to sell for profit or to sell products to and push ideas on users. In most cases, both. It has become the primary method of distributing propaganda and influencing public opinion generally.
Cancer
you’re basically Alex Jones with that level of paranoid delusion, they’re just a service that exists not a communist plot to turn frogs gay.
And yes of course people attempt to control narratives on social media, you think it was better when Murdoch could just print anything he liked? and if even if you could prove it’s bullshit the only thing you could do was moan about it to some dunks down the pub.
Social media isn’t perfect but your characterisation of it is absurd and based on nothing but kneejerk hatred of change
If propaganda comes from Fox News it’s easy to identify as propaganda, but when people you know are citing seemingly well written and researched studies it’s more complicated. Propaganda has become more believable and widespread because of social media.
But even if you ignore the propaganda, social media is still used to push products with targeted advertising and harvests data to sell to whoever will pay for it. It’s not a conspiracy at all it’s just how capitalism works.
Even if you remove money from the equation all together, you’re seeing the highlights of everyone’s lives which has been shown to lead to depression and feelings of inadequacy.
Not to mention that half the posts and comments on Reddit aren’t even made by humans. Lemmy might be a bit better, but honestly not much.
Literally the only thing social media is good for is memes and even that distracts people from what they’re supposed to be doing and have been shown to be an effective method of spreading disinformation.
Social media is cancer.
How about instead of getting pissy over a valid criticism of companies that you have no duty to defend, either explain why any of the above isn’t true or come up with some positive aspects to social media.
Imagine mourning the death of social media.
I mourn its creation.
