“No one is looking at us or the extent of this disaster or the crimes that we are experiencing in Gaza,” he said. Still holding his microphone, he slid off his flak jacket marked with the word PRESS and unstrapped his helmet.
“These protection jackets and helmets don’t protect us,” he said, flinging the equipment to the ground. “Nothing protects journalists. … We lose our lives for no reason.”
This is heartbreaking, I don’t know what else to say. The justification that these casualties are acceptable because “Hamas is there too” is just nonsense. If that’s the case why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border into Israel to prevent their murder?
That would humanize those whom they oppress.
I doubt Hamas was at this reporter’s house, which was singled out by Israel for an airstrike, which they then pretended to know nothing about.
You’re probably right, I’m just trying to get ahead of their typical excuse for collateral damage
It’s not even collateral damage is it? It’s the damage they intend to inflict, killing journalists who dare to show the world what Israel is doing.
Makes you wonder what they do get away with
Just playing devil’s advocate, maybe it was hamas who bombed the house just to get sympathy. Hamas has shown that they don’t really care much about civilian casualties.
When you bomb 4000 children and have a “odd” recurring record of journalists dying as “collateral damage” then maybe the advocacy work could be put to better use elsewhere. Nobody has sympathy for Hamas here.
Nuke the whole world, hamas is on the planet. Killing all humans is the only way to be sure.
Shh, don’t give them ideas!
eh, just gaza
They even deported some stranded Palestinian workers to Gaza. Imagine that!
I wanna preface this with “Israel is clearly in the wrong for these attacks and civilians casualties are not an acceptable consequence of this conflict” but as others have already mentions: Israel not taking in Palestinians is very clearly because you can’t reliably filter out hamas from Palestinian civilians. That doesn’t make what their doing OK, it’s just the very obvious reason for them not doing what you’re suggesting. It doesn’t help that these continues attacks probably makes the civilians population more likely to want to retaliate against the government. “You make the monsters you want to fight” and a that.
The denial of basic necessities for human survival and the driving of civilians southward is a coordinated push to expel the populous from the Gaza Strip. They’ve attempted back channel deals to scrub Egypt’s debt for them to take in the civilians. Their “plan” to ship the expelled around the world has been leaked. People understand this, and thus, the only logical solution is for Israel to take care of these people whose lives they are shattering. They can’t leave their land or Israeli land or they won’t get it back. Whether it’s worth dying over is largely out of the Palestinians in Gaza hands for the moment.
This can’t be made someone else’s problem, because that’s exactly what Israel wants and that should make their motivations very clear.
Are you actually suggesting Israel take over Palestine and absorb the civilians populations. That’s insane. Theirs decades of hate and anguish here, Israel would need to keep the Palestinians isolated from the Israeli population for fear of retaliation and the Palestinians would live under constant observation for fear of retaliating. Israel can’t deradicalise Palestine when their a good chunk of the reason Palestinians are radicalised into hamas. The only sensible solution is egypt taking over the region and promising diplomatic responses to Israel instead of continued conflict but they don’t for the same reason: because they don’t want the radical element of hamas under their governance. In the end the only end I see is Palestinians expelling hamas or Israel wiping them out because the alternative is continued conflict forever (which i suppose is also possible, it’s been that way for years after all).
It’s not my suggestion, it very much appears to be what they are doing in Gaza. Removing their right to self determination is also not a solution. The UN is a much better force to act as interim peacekeepers. I don’t think either of us are probably going to be the ones to crack the peace nut. All that I am saying is that secondary evidence and leaks point to a future where the people of Gaza have been removed and I very much believe Israels intent is to never let them back in.
Their not taking over so much as pushing out. Taking over would be more like sending ground forces to find and eradicate all known hamas agents and then establishing an interim Israeli government in the region. The end goal here is very clearly not to take in the Palestinians as new citizens to israels government, its to damage as much of hamas as they can and put a large buffer zone between themselves to minimise the likelihood of retaliation. It’s not a takeover when you appear more than willing to wipe out whoevers already their. And I don’t see any situation where if Israel does take over they actually let Palestinians continue living there.
Don’t know what to tell you if you don’t see it. Best of luck to you!
Palestinians is very clearly because you can’t reliably filter out hamas from Palestinian civilians.
This is also a fucking BS, sure you disapprove but you can’t even put that on the table. Right now, Israel is fabricating more than ever the so called “terrorists”, that’s why they conflate the term with resistance fighter. Don’t you fucking think it is a traumatic situation?! Bombing, displacing, cut water/electricity/food …
At the very very least, it should have been a terrestrial attack, but they are so coward and reluctant to anything not jewish (last bit is in their book), that they go freestyle and free of consequence.
I mean you can’t filter out anyone whose been radicalised from those just wanting an out. And the possible risk from mistaking it is extremely high.
Holy molly I feel dirty, suddenly. , I misread your comment, my bad. The BS argument is about “radicalization” , of course. People seeing their relatives, friends and weak (children) getting killed is just fuel for outrage and punishment…
Why would you let people who may or may not be criminals / terrorists into your country ? What do you think this is the usa southern border ?
Would you let random people come flooding into your house ?
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Great way to announce yourself
The US southern border is so scary. Migrant workers enter the US every day, it’s terrible. These people are going to ruin America by looking for better lives for themselves and their families. /s
I’ve lived very close to the US/Mexico border most of my life. There aren’t any criminals and terrorists coming to live here. It’s all just people looking for better lives. The criminals smuggle drugs and people over, but they don’t move over here too often, and even if they do, it’s just to sell drugs. There are no terrorists amongst them, idk where you got that idea.
Don’t fall for right wing propaganda about the US/Mexico border.
Drugs and slaves also come over the boarder because ots open and anyone can cross.
You say there are no criminals or terrorists bit you are factually wrong.
The data encompasses seizures at southern border ports of entry, where most illicit drugs consumed in the United States, including fentanyl, are currently smuggled>
Guess Reuters is lying.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/01/us/texas-shooting-suspect-manhunt.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/09/us/deportation-pennsylvania-fugitive-danelo-cavalcante.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/nyregion/92-year-old-woman-queens-murder.html
Stop with your fantasy and face reality.
The criminals smuggle drugs and people over.
I literally said that there are criminals. The criminals move back and forth, though. They dont typically stay here in one place for too long. Not terrorists, though. At least not often enough that terrorists should be plural.
The border isn’t open, where are you getting that idea? They use tunnels and cross occasionally patrolled territory to get across. The border is just so big and desolate that there won’t be enough manpower to guard it all, and there is so much money in the drug trade that there will always be incentive for them to figure out a way to get across. The cartels even have submarines and drones.
If we want to stop the drug smuggling and criminals from coming over, we should make a safer and regulated drug market up here and take away their incentive.
I’m just letting you know as someone who has lived in border towns, the vast majority of people coming over just want to have better lives for them and their families. Nobody is terrorized down there. Sure, heinous stuff happens that involves criminal illegal immigrants, occasionally. We have criminals who commit heinous stuff that were born here, too.
It’s not a huge problem like you are making it out to be.
I can watch videos of hundreds of people walking through open fences into this country. .
No one ever said that most people didn’t want better lives. Unfortunately they won’t find it here and while they come over people bring in drugs , weapons. Human trafficking victims and so on. The border should be fully secure and we should implement immigration policies in line woth those around in the 60s and 70s
If that’s the case why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border into Israel to prevent their murder?
Whether you agree with Israeli attacks or not, obviously the answer to this is because it’s impossible to filter out Hamas terrorists, which is the main thing they’re trying to prevent.
Your right, best to kill them all then. What do you agree with btw?
He agrees with the occupiers if his history serves as enough evidence
Your right, best to kill them all then.
Where did you get that?
What do you agree with btw?
I’m not happy with what Israel is doing. But I don’t know of a better way to get rid of Hamas either. And I’m convinced that if we want a free Palestine and a working two state solution, freeing it from Hamas has to be the first step without which no sustainable situation with Israel can ever be achieved.
I should have put an /s there I guess. You don’t know a better way than genocide? If the treatment kills the host then it is not in fact a cure.
If Israel wanted to kill all people in Gaza, they could just carpet bomb them without ever stepping a foot in. The only reason to do a ground invasion that will inevitably bring a ton of Israeli casualties is to reduce civilian deaths.
So less deniable war crimes?
You seem to be implying that israelis are not people or that their lives are less valuable.
Edit: you should look the definition of imply in the dictionary. responding that you didn’t say something you implied is not a valid argument.
where did I say that? Must be hard juggling a victim complex with 4000 murdered children. Oh, maybe not?
edit: K, where did I ever come close to implying any civilian life (that’s universal jackass) is less worthy or valuable. What a fucking coward, coming in and editing the original as a way to skip a response. Here’s one in return piss pants.
You’re implying that Israel is entitled to murder thousands of civilians, half of them children, and level to the ground a city that used to house over half a million people up until recently, just because its far right government that has protected people who abused Palestinians for decades doesn’t want to seek any solution other than relentless violence. One day you’ll look at yourself in the mirror and find yourself a monster.
Better way is easy: a one state solution like Israel claims it wants would be better than this. Declare everyone in Palestine an Israeli citizen, move in law enforcement in force, and arrest murderers for murder.
I agree that it would be better for the Palestinians, clearly Israeli Arabs have better lives than people in Gaza and West Bank despite also facing some discrimination, but Gazans would never agree to this (that is clear from public opinion polls done by PA institutions - for example over 70% of people in Gaza support violence against Israeli civilians), so the end result would be exactly the same is this one. You would still have an army of violent murderers hiding in tunnels with almost two decades of preparation for exactly this.
The cost of 4000 dead children perhaps.
So, you believe Israel can identify a Hamas terrorist remotely to bomb them, but can’t identify Hamas terrorists when they are at the border in person?
The people IDF is targeting are Hamas leaders or “officers”, who need to communicate a lot and sometimes even show in public, so they can be tracked with enough time. Boots on the ground soldiers are a completely different problem and Israel doesn’t even have the resources to track all of them because there are so many. How is that not obvious??
So 10,000 people have died now to kill how many? Here’s a question, what number is okay to kill? You seem to know these things so the answer should be obvious.
Why are they murdering all those journalists then? Seems… Evil.
They weren’t journalists, they were Hamas fighters, dressed as journalists. /s
So your point being is let’s question Hamas propaganda but not IDF propaganda?
My dude has never seen a customs office or checkpoint in his life
No its obviously because Israel doesn’t care about Palestinians lol. They wouldn’t have literally any of these issues if they hadn’t been doing like 80 years worth of state sponsored occupation and murder.
You really think the people in Gaza chose to willingly leave their former homes and land to move into a military enclave?
You are extremely naive if you think that a military checkpoint would solve this problem. Egypt was not able to stop Hamas terrorists and their supplies going back and forth through the Rafah border crossing to commit acts of terror in the Sinai peninsula for example. And that was during “business as usual”, not in a situation where potentially hundreds of thousands of people would likely have to go through.
Bold of you to assume Egypt isn’t complicit in letting that happen lol.
Their military literally runs on bribery. So much so that there’s a local conspiracy there that Egypt provided Israel with all the intel during the 6 day war because they had no intention of fighting and negotiated to get Gaza off their hands in exchange for never having to worry about Israel again.
Again though, my point is that Hamas as an entity wouldn’t exist if Palestinians were considered regular citizens and not forced off from their own property.
Again though, my point is that Hamas as an entity wouldn’t exist if Palestinians were considered regular citizens and not forced off from their own property.
This may be true and it would be good to consider this when deciding what to do after Hamas is gone, but it doesn’t change anything about current situation. The fact is that thinking a military checkpoint would filter out terrorists is incredibly naive, and whether Israel cares about the lives of civilians or not likely wouldn’t change this particular issue at all.
Either they’re armed and easy to identify or they’re not at which point there’s one less person to worry about shooting Israeli soldiers while their tunnel network is dismantled. I don’t see the problem.
Do you honestly not see the problem with letting out at the very least tens of thousands of people, possibly hundreds of thousands, and guarding them all well enough so that none of them can do any hostilities that can be done without smuggling arms out of Gaza (whether it’s sabotage, inciting violent protests to keep the IDF occupied or terrorist acts using weapons smuggled into Israel from elsewhere)?
No, now you have two more people inspired to shoot Israeli soldiers and civilians. It’s like you don’t even understand how people’s minds actually work.
And Israel’s current strategy isn’t carrying water for Hamas recruitment right now?
Israel’s strategy over the last 70 years created Hamas and has ensured that it has continued to hold power in Gaza. I don’t know what that other commenter is thinking, but I think characterising Israel’s strategy as carrying water for Hamas recruitment is a strong understatement. They’re not just carrying water; they’re pumping it from the ground, putting it in containers, divvying it up, and carrying it as far as they’ll go. Hamas exists because of Israel, much as how Al Qaeda and ISIS exist(ed) because of the US (and allied forces) and Russia.
Why does Israel not let people leave and use its famed intelligence services to identify who the Hamas fighters are? It is looking like the Israeli government simply prefers collective punishment or even genocide.
How do you know who is Hamas and who is a civilian? It’s not like Hamas honorably sticks to identifiable uniforms in this war they started
The war has been going on since long before October.
That’s pretty clearly not true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel–Hamas_war
7 October to present
You said there wasn’t a outstanding conflict going on before October. “That’s pretty clearly not true”
I provided you counter examples. Now you have evidence of the conflict activity before October.
Uhh, no. I said Hamas started this war. Which they did. On 7 Oct. Before then, there was no war. Now, there’s war. Idk what you want
If you insist.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties 6K killed and 165K injured Palestinians in the span of 15 years. All before the 7.10.
That’s an awfully large number for a "peace” don’t you think?
You’re right, so let’s just declare everyone in Gaza Hamas and bomb everyone. Right? Isn’t that Israel’s current policy?
Hey, why don’t we speed things up and nuke the area. Wouldn’t that be more efficient?
Killing civilian children is not an appropriate response to terrorism.
And what, according to you, is the best response Israel could make to an unending string of terrorism?
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties - who’s the terrorist now? ELI5 the numbers of this article. I am really curious how you will justify them!
Apparently letting in the terrorists. They took the usa Democrat course in securing borders
Imagine how embarrassed this guy is to have you agreeing with him. I love it.
If they filter through the border they can’t be armed. It’d be pretty easy to take away all their arms if no one was left to guard their tunnels.
Yes, and then they hide and bide time preparing for an attack without having to cross over the border.
Too bad Israel never built the wall like murica did.
to fence in a tiny bit of land? no, far easier to subsume it.
Just mask off for you today, huh?
it’s really obvious:
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in a tunnel underground? terrorist
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shooting Israeli’s? terrorist
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not getting the fuck out of an active war zone and pretending to be a civilian? terrorist
Should all of Ukraine abandon their land because Russia declared their land an active war zone?
If someone invades your country do you not have the right to fight back? You’re basically saying, leave or die. How does this logic not apply to the attacks of oct. 7th? Not defending said attacks, just pointing out how utterly brainless your statement is. It also sounds like approval of genocide.
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At 8:30 p.m. Thursday, after signing off from a live report on Gaza’s soaring death toll, Abu Hatab headed to his nearby home in Khan Younis where he lived with his wife, six children, brother and brother’s family, his colleagues said.
On his way, he spoke to the Palestine TV bureau chief, Rafat Tidra.
“He was so professional, as always,” Tidra said. “In that conversation, he was focused on what he was going to report the next day, how we were going to work.”
At around 9:30, an Israeli airstrike hit his house, wiping out the Abu Hatab family. No one survived. His neighbor’s houses only sustained limited damage from the blast.
So was there a Hamas base under this journalist’s private residence or something?!
Hamas are very much like Visa, they’re “everywhere you want to be.”
Sigh. I mean… it’s a good joke but yeesh
I didn’t like making it, but I wasn’t the one to tell Israel to put on a broken record before they turned out the lights and left for the week.
The IDF also murdered 972 Magazine journalist Khalil Abu Yahia.
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It’s easy to take an enlightened centerist approach here saying things like “both sides do awful things” and “everyone should stop”. And while to a point that this is true, there has a history of revenge repesials going back devades. But that really ignores the vast power imblance between Israel and the strip.
From basic utilities to free movement on roads to kicking Palestinians out of their homes in favor of Israeli settlers. It’s a small easy thing to relax in your chair and say everyone is wrong, but this conflict can end when Isreal stops their oppression. Not providing clean water and bombing medical infrastructure is genocide all by itself. Gaza is an open air prison where movement is restricted. It’s high minded arrogant nonsense to say Gaza should focus on their own country when Isreal is literally bombing their water wells.
Both sides do awful things. Everyone should stop.
But let’s be honest here, the area didn’t belong to the zionists for a really long time. The international community forced Palestinians off of their land and for a good 70 years Palestinians they have suffered. Zionists should not have been given the means to invade the Palestinians.
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this conflict can end when Isreal stops their oppression
It can end when hamas surrenders.
Not providing clean water and bombing medical infrastructure is genocide all by itself.
It wasn’t a problem before October 7th. Maybe hamas should’ve done something about preventing such a situation, to build water purification facilities etc. Also maybe not build war infrastructure under medical infrastructure.
It’s high minded arrogant nonsense to say Gaza should focus on their own country when Isreal is literally bombing their water wells.
It’s low minded arrogant nonsense to say that Israel should not react to attacks of terrorists who vowed to not stop attacks until they destroy Israel with it’s 9 million population.
Whoa israel just directly bombed his house with his whole family inside because he was press. What the fuck.
israel is saying they will kill you AND your entire family of you report on their war crimes.
So now Israel targets Hamas AND the press? The latter just feels so wrong.
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Israel has a storied history now of killing journalists, here is the most famous example:
https://www.vox.com/2022/5/11/23067365/shireen-abu-akleh-palestinian-journalist-killed-israel
God damn.
The article doesn’t have the video, at least I didn’t see it.
Here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3yDx_VWPd8
It’s a picture embedded in the article, no video.
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Damn
There is a word for what Israel is doing: Holocaust.
A video, since the website doesn’t seem to have it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3yDx_VWPd8
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That kid was definitely ready to take his vest and helmet
Yes, the situation in Gaza is awful and a tragedy in every way imaginable. It is a war zone.
Your right, Israel should cease it’s indiscriminate violence now and call for an immediate stabilization of the civilian population on the ground. That was a big leap for you man. Proud of you Dobby!
Hamas should surrender so everything can end.
Hamas doesn’t care if those civilians and journalists die anymore than probably Israel does. It goes to show how stupid this is because everyday Israel becomes more the murderer, more the oppressor, more the aggressor, more the monster. I’m sure Hamas leadership love it because they literally have to do nothing as proud Israel marches into the history books as the land hungry maniac butcher of the middle east. This is how a 9/11 works and you buffoons are out here trying to roast Hamas marshmallows on the smoldering corpses of women and children.
The trick is, if you destroy enough Palestinians and drive them from thier home ling enough, those people’s kids will have no connection to Palestine/Gaza and little desire to go back. After time the situation would solve itself.
If you continue to let hamas rule Gaza and commit acts of terror then Israel will retaliate insuring the continuation of the current situation until.the end of time.
Racist says the “trick” is genocide. What a subpar troll
What a sickening take.
Not only.do they not have to die from Israel bombs
It’s THEIR LAND. Why are the only options “leave forever, or die?”.
but don’t have to live under hamas rule
There wouldn’t be a Hamas if Israel didn’t stop murdering and stealing land they have no right to.
Between 2008 and 2020, 5,590 Palestinians have been murderedUntil Israel has all of the land, this won’t stop. They continue to murder and maim for decades, and when a Hamas retaliation happens, well then “this is war”.
Let’s be clear about something. This was ‘Christmas come early’ for Israel, as Hamas laid out an attack that gave them a cart blanche to go all out on Palestine, ignoring all wartime rules, as they commit actual genocide, confirmed by Israeli Holocaust scholars: https://www.wrmea.org/israel-palestine/holocaust-scholars-say-israel-is-committing-genocide.html
The solution should always start with de-escalation. Everyone knows this. Cops are trained to do this. Why is nobody policing Israel? They can’t even commit to saying what is going on in Israel is definitively Genocide.
Yet neither Egypt nor Israel want to open their borders to Palestinian civilians. Where should they go?
Sounds like it was a bad idea for the Gazans to put them in charge of their government. Maybe they should do something about that
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If we start a war we pay the cost
I’m glad that Israel refuses any further US military aid or funding then
They took power illegally years before the literal majority of Gaza citizens were even born.
Edit: My apologies, the ones that are almost legal adults would have been infants or toddlers at the time Hamas seized power. They really should have done something about that while they were learning how to walk and speak. /s
Okay, and? I’m sorry, my dude, but Hamas won the election before they illegally seized power, and it’s not like the people of Gaza have tried to do anything about that. Who is supposed to do it for them?
Yeah, it sucks that sometimes the citizens of a nation pay the price for the actions of their leaders. But who else can change their leaders for them?
You’re talking about a population with extremely limited resources that is literally 50% (or more) children that has been under two fascist boots for the last decade and a half. There does come a point where a level of desperation combined with a possibility of a better future will instigate a revolution, but right now? They don’t see a possibility of a better future. With Israel’s Likud on the other side of the wall and no resources to rebuild after a coup, what’s the point in gambling everything on maybe being able to overthrow the more local oppression?
Also, education in Gaza is very inconsistent and most political revolutions are started by people with education and nothing to lose.
Your right, perhaps we go punish the skeletons in North Korea next?
If North Korea starts a war, its people will bear the brunt. But that’s a bad comparison - Hamas was elected.
Maybe tell that to the children (who are 2 out of every 5 murdered) who didn’t even exist for this definitive election of yours. It’s a fine comparison. It’s been so long since either event that your blaming a currently suffering group for the mistakes of it’s predecessors, and it rings just as gross and hollow. Why don’t you tell me how women should dress so they don’t get raped?
Lots of people should do lots of things to make the world better. I feel they’re not going to, though.
Yeah. Hamas is the only group which can really end this, though. Israel ending it involves a lot of dead people. They’re not going to stop until Hamas cannot make war any longer, and I can’t blame them.
Yeah. Hamas is the only group which can really end this, though. Israel ending it involves a lot of dead people. They’re not going to stop until Hamas cannot make war any longer, and I can’t blame them.
The world and history will blame them. Nobody, not a single soul, is concerned with where you cast the blame.
Yes, yes, of course, it’s all the fault of the defenders
How far into someone else’s lands are these “defenders”?
if your protection gear isnt working, get better gear. if that isnt possible, it may be time to rethink your life decisions.
I think you’ll struggle to find protective gear that will protect you from a direct airstrike
moving right on to the 2nd option then, eh?
Or how about the 3rd option: western backed states don’t commit war crimes targeting journalists?
with the amount of garbage takes I’ve seen from you, I would hope the irony isn’t completely lost. try taking your own pathetic advice.
