Can we say the obvious for a second?
Good decision. Everyone needs to be able to see this. It’s important, especially in this climate.
What does this heat have to do with it?
it will keep people indoors
What’s best is everyone will see the evidence.
Not really. The people who need to see and believe the evidence will never see it and will deny that it is anything but lies.
This should be the top comment
It is
Anyone a big enough drunk to take a shot every time Trump, himself, tries to object?
Do you want to give everyone alcohol poisoning?!
I think drinking that many shot glasses of water would kill you, honestly
What if you take a drink every time he tries to object to his own defense? I’m pretty sure taking a shot when he objects to anything would kill even the most experienced alcoholic.
“ERECTIONJECTION YOUR JUDGESHIP! somethingsomethingorangewordsalad” - Trump
/sigh
Wait, does that even count?
I read this as “Erection Ejection” and for some reason that shit alone cracked me up, then thinking of Trump saying, “Erection Ejection!” cracked me up more. Well done, I needed the laugh.
I’m saying this next time I finish, my wife will be thrilled.
He’ll be confused more than half the time.
Man, woman, judge, camera, unpaid attorney
Ask the popcorn eating will counteract the alcohol, digestion-wise.
Fastest way to end stage cirrhosis
They should add some twitch integration too, 10,000 bits and the defendant has to floss.
Donation meme soundboard
I’m picturing a lot of psychotic TikTok “yes yes ice cream so good gang gang”
Fawx News: “Now back to continuing coverage of paint drying. Make sure to stay tuned because we have Hunter Bidens dick pics as well! Laptop! Biden Crime Family! NO! DO NOT TOUCH THAT DIAL! NOOOOOOOO!!!”
BENGHAAAAAAAZI! EEEEEEEEMAIL!
The last big ‘Hitler is still alive’ movie was 1978’s ‘The Boys From Brazil.’ Extrapolating from that, I think we’ll see the last attack on Hilary Clinton in the early 2100’s.
What about Look Who’s Back?
I’m wholeheartedly behind the WGA & SGA, but god bless Georgia for coming in clutch with content over the next year plus.
That’s a brilliant way to look at this
Sadly this will only be watched as justice porn for the left, the right won’t even care.
For me it will be 1/3 Justice porn and 2/3 I’m living through history titillation.
Yeah. While I absolutely have a bias and want to see this fucker convicted, I feel like no matter what, it’s going to have at least one “Where were you when…” moment.
Almost every generation has a couple. Where were you when JFK was shot? When the Challenger exploded? During 9/11? When Columbia burned up?
I mean, obviously, reading the verdict is going to be there, but I feel like there’s going to be some real courtroom horseshit / ooohhhh shiiit moments too.
I was alive for the Columbia explosion, 9/11, the Challenger explosion, and Reagan’s attempted assassination. I saw them all as highlight reels on TV hours after the facts. I saw OJ’s glove escapade on the evening news. I expect there to be a Trump trial moment like that, but I don’t need to see it live, and I definitely don’t need to sit through hour after hour of courtroom procedure waiting to see that one moment.
I’m glad the trial will be recorded for posterity. That seems like the best way to answer claims of shenanigans in any trial. Actually watching the trial, all the way through, seems a little too much like watching Nascar hoping to see a big crash.
Wouldn’t it be grand if we could end it on a high note, and stop thinking “I’m living through history” every 1-3 years?
Oh, to know boredom.
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I was going to say that the conspiracy theorists would watch it simply to figure out all the ways this is a Jewish-space-laser-controlled judge presiding over an adrenochrome -addicted jury, with all the officers of the court being lizardmen in humanskin.
Then I realized that was simply too much effort for them; they’ll just get their conspiracies from Fox and Tucker, and Joe Rogan as usual.
You know, I’m getting real tired of you goyim knowing about our laser.
Tis a joke but I am actually jew
This is what I should have said to begin with
Fuck ‘em.
Out-fucking-standing. I am absolutely going to watch this. It’ll be the first Trump footage I’ve voluntarily watched in quite a while.
I hope he suddenly goes all sovereign citizen and handles his own defense.
AM I BEING DETAINED
This should 100% be televised. This affects us all. This was the attempted overthrow of our democracy and justice should not be hidden.
There is way more benefit then problem with this IMHO.
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I’m also anticipating a spike in stochastic terror
Wonder what sponsors they’ll have… Will the judge ask us to smash the like button?
It’ll be funded via concurrent 24/7 American Truck Sim stream (hosted by Will Smith) + charity raffle
They’ll probably demand we “dab on the notification bell”
So we’re clear, this is not the revolution
I am not going to watch any of that.
When he was on the NPR news cycle five times a day I started yelling and cursing uncontrollable to the point where I was diving at the radio to turn it off or change the station so that I would not freak the fuck out.
It doesn’t matter where Trump is. I don’t want to be there. It is a defilement to view him.
Practice stoicism my friend. Ppl on the left freaking out is exactly what they want. Treat trump and the gop the same way you treat clowns…laugh at them.
It’s the thing they fear the most…loss of narrative.Best I can do is exude the overwhelming smugness of a 17th century Scottish trader who just gonvinced some Englishmen to buy goods for way over market price.
Eh .little wins
Clowns like gacy maybe. I can’t even laugh anymore
Me either. However, I look forward to Legal Eagle breaking down the highlights.
it’s crazy that trump has basically trained us all to be able to understand him because he’s basically incoherent. in speeches he alternates between pre-written sections that he is clearly struggling to read, and completely thoughtless ad-libs like “many people are saying this” which he will say about literally anything. and in more spontaneous formats he’s just all over the fucking place, he just leaves a trail of sentence fragments behind him until he’s decided he’s talked for an appropriate amount of time. and his voice, i mean, he sounds like mark hamill’s joker after dental anesthesia. they should play his speeches on speakers mounted to the underside of cargo ships to repel whales
mark hamill’s joker after dental anesthesia
Wow, is that ever accurate.
they should play his speeches on speakers mounted to the underside of cargo ships to repel whales
You should consider a career in comedy.
I get it. I always try to tune in for these kinds of things though, the somewhat boring dense slow trials, because I want to be better informed to counteract any right wing rhetoric I encounter. In particular IRL.
plus it’s more mundane factual shit so I’m here for that, but if he treats it like the debates idk if I could all the interrupting to make no point just to get sound bites and derail the other person.
I think him in a courtroom will be different, perhaps startlingly so. He won’t be able to just say whatever he wants, he’ll have to actually try to make a logical coherent case. Which, being impossible for him personally, means that I think we will not hear much from him. His legal team will do most of the talking, if he has any brains at all.
if he has any brains at all.
Important caveat. We may hear a lot from him after all!
This is going to backfire in a big way. Whole lot of people seem to think this will be justice porn or somehow convince his base of his criminality but it is going to do no such thing. According to one poll, the majority (77%) of likely GOP primary voters are already convinced the trial is “politically motivated”, with only 8% more concerned about him attempting to overturn an election. You can take a look at some polling here, there are other even more troublesome results as well: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-poll-indictments-2023-08-20/
No matter how awful, contradictory, and ridiculous he will be in that court room, this is likely going to be a massive boon for Trump, and his followers are going to see it as the realization of their own fears of persecution. This man is an ascendant fascist leader, not the sad sack finally facing consequences that liberals so desperately want him to be, and the effect this will have on mobilizing his base to continue to escalate will be immense. These people do not give a single fuck about “”“law and order”“” no matter how much they pretend they do, stop assuming they will just accept things when he is found guilty. They won’t.
I’m just trying to help people realize how dangerous and precarious this whole situation is. People were laughing and making jokes when he first announced his candidacy, and kept on doing it right up to the point that he won the election. Don’t make the same mistake again, because while yall are cracking jokes, him and his ghouls are hurting people. They are passing discriminatory laws, they are in the supreme court setting dangerous precedents and overturning inconvenient ones, and they are patrolling the streets looking for people to brutalize and throw in jail. They are committing hate crimes and becoming increasingly radicalized and mobilized.
Stop pretending this is entertainment or business as usual, it’s not. I’m begging you to understand that the fascists are already here, and the longer they’re underestimated the better their chances of seizing control.
This is going to backfire.
First of all, never try to get inside a conservative’s head if you are going to come out with a loser defeatism attitude. 2nd, Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump will not have any control of the trial at all.
of likely GOP primary voters are already convinced the trial is “politically motivated”
That is the most important reason why the trial needs to be televised.
Stop pretending this is entertainment or business as usual, it’s not.
Another reason why it is absolutely critical to have the trial televised. I can remember the Watergate TV hearings and the entire country was riveted by the seriousness of the proceedings. The Jan 6 House committee televised hearing were also riveting for everybody who watched them in full. It will be like that only with everyone watching. The very reason for televising the proceedings is so that everybody understands the seriousness.
Remember that Onion headline “man would die fighting to defend what he imagines the Constitution to be”?
Many modern conservatives are like that. They will bleat all day about laws, and yet have never spent 2 minutes even reading a Wikipedia page about them.
They’ll believe whatever pundits tell them to believe.
Witch hunt? Unconstitutional? Politically motivated? Kangaroo court?
Not for one minute will any of those law and order loving, institution-protecting, facts not feelings, crowd consider that Trump is there because of real actual crimes he really did commit.
I’ve said it before, religion primes people to believe stupid shit, as long as it’s delivered with conviction.
Talking snake? No problem! Waking on water? You betchya! Kangaroo court? Don’t mind if I do!
Begging people to understand the severity of the threat Trump and his followers pose is a “loser defeatist attitude”? If you genuinely think that anyone still supporting him is going to come out of watching this man on TV thinking less of him, or seeing it as a serious matter instead of some kind of political assassination of their dear leader, then you’ve not been paying attention for years.
How many times have liberals been convinced “surely, this will be the end of him!” only for it to galvanize his base and further cement him as their figurehead? Stop thinking that his base has an even remotely similar worldview to yourself, you could show them all the evidence in the world of his wrongdoing and they will still find a way to pretend it’s not true. This is what I am trying to get people to understand, if you think fascists play by the rules you are sorely mistaken.
but this isnt about his base. I have written them off long ago. this is about the rest of the country. galvanizing them into understanding the seriousness of what this two-bit used car salesman huskster tried (and continues trying) to do to this country is the point.
republicans can not win power with their base alone. this was never about them.
As I replied to another person above, if you think my message was about votes and elections then you’ve misunderstood. This is quite literally a trial about an attempted overthrow of an election, their disdain for democracy is clear as day. The extent of that disdain, and what his base might be willing to do to get him in power regardless is exactly what I am trying to get people not to underestimate. Also, it might be a sobering thought to consider how many cops and soldiers are part of his base.
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Also, it might be a sobering thought to consider how many cops and soldiers are part of his base.
So… bend the knee? These traitors are losing legal battles daily, and it’s all over the news. Let’s keep it rolling.
Stop thinking that his base has an even remotely similar worldview to yourself
Every single person here is fully aware of that. You’re proposing that we, what? Just don’t do anything? And anything that is done on a legal level be hidden from public view?
Begging people to understand the severity of the threat Trump and his followers pose is a “loser defeatist attitude”?
Begging that Trump’s criminal trial is not shown on TV so that people will never understand the critical severity of his crimes, just because you’ve been duped into mindless panic is a loser defeatist attitude. You are letting Trump neofascists bully you into favoring a less strict accountability. A handful of Trump’s followers committing suicide by cop do not pose a threat to the most powerful country in the world and by the end of the trial most people will understand that Treason Trump and other top neofascists are going to jail. Did Al Capone still have many followers after he went to jail? Nope.
His supporters are the cops. His followers are already in office, in courts, in law enforcement, and in the military at every level of each. They are already actively hurting people, indoctrinating children, destroying the environment, criminalizing minorities, brutalizing and killing dissidents, and both passing and enforcing laws to aid them in doing all of the aforementioned.
This is not a mindless panic. Women are having their rights repealed, queer folks are facing increasing violence and threats of imprisonment, and just about every visible minority is facing higher incidence of hate crimes and discrimination. The majority of americans are living paycheck to paycheck, and people can’t afford average rent on average income (let alone minimum wage) in any city in the country. People are fucking starving and dying on the street, and the number one cause of bankruptcy is medical debt which is something that shouldn’t even exist.
The refusal to reconcile reality with this fantasy of a powerful and healthy country is part of what has enabled fascists to ascend once more, and what keeps burying the bar for democrats further underground.
Every time Trump gets put on TV because people like yourself are convinced that this time will finally be his undoing, his base and support grows. The amount of free publicity this fuck has gotten from people that are ostensibly his opponents is staggering. If you keep assuming that laws, ethics, morals, and rules are going to be followed by fascists, you’re in for a rude awakening.
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Okay Ivan. You keep on cowering in fear in the basement while level headed Americans do the critical necessary work of protecting our 240 years of democracy, defeating the neofascists, and moving forward with progress.
Ah yes, the critical necessary work of waiting to vote every four years, sitting on your ass hoping fascism will sort itself out, and expecting the institutions you take for granted to protect you. Extremely brave and level headed, not cowardly or delusional in the least. /s
The weird insinuation that I am in any way related to or supportive of Russia is a nice touch, because nothing says “moving forward with progress” like demonizing an entire population, almost all of whom have as little control over their government as you do yours. I’m sure those neofascists are shaking in their boots.
Ah yes, the critical necessary work of waiting to vote every four years
The critical necessary work of putting Treason Trump and the neofascists on trial and televising it so the whole country can see.
sitting on your ass hoping fascism will sort itself out,
You’re the one calling for inaction and fear because the bullies might get upset.
I’m sure those neofascists are shaking in their boots.
This neofascist sure looks like he’s been owned by the libs
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fe792f17-6e1f-494f-bc6b-a9e740f16bf7.jpeg
What is it you’re suggesting?
You are completely wrong. Why focus on idiots who won’t change their mind no matter what? The important voter base are moderates and independents. If you are staunchly Democrat your vote does not matter. If you’re Republican no matter what your vote does not matter. Sad but true. The people you’re so worried about simply don’t matter. If televising the trial convinces people who are on the fence then it’s the right choice. They’re just a small number of people.
If you read what I wrote and thought I was worried about how this would affect votes then you’ve missed the point completely. They do not care about votes or elections, their figurehead is literally on trial for trying to overturn the last one.
It’s not his die-hard magats that need to see this. They are only a majority of Republican voters. Independents are the largest block with Dems and GOP both smaller. It’s people like my dad that have never been forced to look at the details without fox, newsmax etc reframing. This is hard to look at, for anyone. I understand your pessimism.
It’s not pessimism. Fascists are already banning books, criminalizing trans people, reversing environmental protections, outlawing abortion and criminalizing those that seek them, rewriting school curricula with historical revisionism and fascist propaganda to suit their needs, perpetrating hate crimes, discriminating against minorities and political opponents, and their media is cranking out fuel for stochastic terrorism day after day. Hell, on the primary debate stage the other day, the candidates were talking about how they would each approach executing people at the border. Of course there was a layer of euphemism, it was about “lethal force in border security”, but a whole hell of a lot of the people on the receiving end of that are migrants and refugees fleeing the conditions american foreign and economic policy has subjected them to.
I have clearly touched a nerve here because there are a lot of upset people downvoting what I’m saying, but I am not being a cynic or a defeatist, I am begging people to reckon with the reality of what is already happening. As I’ve said repeatedly, this trial is literally about how he incited his supporters to attempt overthrowing an election, and people are in here acting as if all that matters is how this might sway voters.
Fascists do not care about democracy, why do you think the GOP spends as much time as it does gerrymandering and messing with voter eligibility, closing polling stations, and purging rolls? They are not going to be voted away, and they are not going to give a fuck about whatever ethics people are just hoping they will abide by. Rules are seen as an obstacle to be overcome, not a boundary which cannot be crossed.
I said this in another reply but I’m going to repeat it here: ask yourself how much of his base are cops and soldiers, and then think about who it is that you’re expecting to step in when his base takes another swing.
I have clearly touched a nerve here because there are a lot of upset people downvoting what I’m saying, but I am not being a cynic or a defeatist, I am begging people to reckon with the reality of what is already happening.
Speaking solely for myself, I completely agree with everything you’ve said; I too believe we’re already there. But for me, regardless of how people talk about it, or are taking it, or how it affects their vote (if at all), the bottom line is that this trial MUST happen as long as we still have the democracy left to do it, because the administration of justice is exactly what democracy itself calls for in the face of an attempted coup.
Which makes the trial itself a test of just how much functional democracy we have left: how many successful efforts will be made to subvert it, rig it, or stop it outright? Will the unsteady barriers against corruption and diversion of power still hold?
So while I appreciate your points, I don’t think we have a choice. This trial has to take place, if there is anything left of us as a country; there’s no regulating personal reaction anymore; and there is always the possibility that we will be surprised. Who knows, maybe the Trump diehards will tune in because they want to see their god, and unscripted he ends up losing his deity before their very eyes.
We live in strange days. Don’t call it done until it’s done.
Again, you’re not wrong, IMO. But the course is set, and a democratic society – even if all we have left is a pretense thereto – has to see it out. Even if it’s for the very last time.
To be clear, my issue was never about whether or not Trump should be put on trial, but rather the terrible idea of televising it and turning it into an opportunity for him to promote himself. I do think he should face consequences for his actions, but people keep putting this sack of shit on TV, doing his publicity for him, and then being shocked when it turns out in his favor every single time. No matter the verdict, because of how much of an event this will be, he will most likely come out the other end with greater and stronger support.
He will probably be found guilty, but what I am trying to illustrate is that he could not ask for a better stage to sell himself as the embattled, targeted, brave leader in the war against the deep state. Think of how often he speaks to his base about the nebulous “they” that are against him, “they” want to silence him, “they” want to put him in jail because he’s telling it like it is and threatening the woke agenda or whatever the fuck. People here are convinced this will be the ultimate comeuppance, but his supporters are going to see their saint being persecuted by his adversaries.
So many in here are treating this like a victory lap, but it’s a fucking campaign ad. If he’s somehow barred from running, you know who I think will win the republican nomination? Whoever pledges to pardon him as soon as they enter office.
Your problem is that you’re seeing things as they really are whereas the people down voting you and telling you that you’re a pessimist are in denial and you’re ruining their vibes
I don’t know about that. You should listen to the Knowledge Fight episodes featuring the Alex Jones trial. I have a feeling it’s going to be something like that.
I’m just gonna ask you to take a moment and think about the gulf of disparity between these two figures in real terms. One ran a rather successful conspiracy grift show and the other is the former president, on trial for inciting others to attempt overthrowing an election. The fact that you’re even comparing the two as if people will drop Trump as readily as they did Jones, when he is still the front runner for candidacy by an enormous margin while gearing up to go on trial for treason is exactly the kind of underestimation I’m talking about.
You think trump can get a better attorney than Alex Jones??? Lol dude is toxic as a client and every capable atty knows it.
I mean Alex Jones’s attorneys didn’t fare much better when they accidentally leaked all of Jones’s texts to the prosecution.
It’s less that and more two self absorbed narcissists who have been drinking their own Kool aid for WAY too long.
They’re looking for someone that will let them get away with doing the awful things they want to do to people. They’re never going to change their minds about that. Ever. So we just… let them make that happen by letting them destroy democracy and law?
Let them “take action”. They’ve already seen what happened to “the loyalist” that helped with Jan 6th and they’re not swayed. The sooner they’re in prison, the better off we all are.
I quite agree. Giving a TV personality airtime is a dangerous gamble, and I’m not sure of the payoff the courts are looking for.
I really feel the important part of this trial is whether at the end he’s barred from the ballots. If he’s allowed to run it doesn’t really matter who wins. His candidacy alone would show the rule of law and democracy has failed. That’s the final, dim hope i cling to, that he will be barred from running. If he isn’t, and runs? Thats when i will know for sure it is already as you said, that fascism is already here and democracy is dead.
Even if he’s barred, I don’t imagine anyone winning the GOP primary without a pledge to pardon him once elected. Beyond that, it seems that people really do not want to consider the very real possibility of a coup or jail break. Every time these fucks escalate there’s a chorus of wilfully ignorant liberals bleating about “who could have seen this coming???” and every time there have been people like me begging them to take the threat seriously and to stop imagining there will be some moment when they finally see reason and accept defeat. The democratic strategy for opposing fascism seems to be just never losing another election, and somehow think throwing their most vulnerable constituents under the bus and catering to republicans and the mythical undecided voter is going to grow their lead enough to make that happen.
I’m saying all this not to frighten people but to try to wake them up to the reality of the threat we face, because right now we’re sleepwalking into fascists seizing power.
Try a clown, expect a circus
How can they actually get jurors for this?
If the facts require the jurors to convict, there is no chance that this won’t ruin their lives (if not significantly shorten them). Even before then, it’s going to be a problem. His supporters have already declared and demonstrated that they are willing to use violence.
Thank you, but I’d sit in jail as long as necessary to not be on any of these juries.
How do you even find an impartial jury? I might be wrong but I was almost certain that an impartial jury is required to convict, which is why they always ask you about potential conflicts of interest when you attend jury duty. How many impartial jurors can there be at this point? Tbh, I’m not even sure I would trust an impartial jury with this case. To me, if you’re claiming to be impartial then you’re either lying, or you give zero fucks about politics and the people around you. Being impartial in this context has some really concerning implications about you.
Am I biased? Fucking absolutely and I hope he’s found guilty.
Can I set aside my bias and only consider the evidence as presented? Also fucking absolutely.
There are plenty of people who care enough about the rule of law that would let a man they hate walk free. If you can, perhaps you should be more concerned with yourself than the implications you ascribe to others who don’t deserve it.
My concern is that there’s a certain type of person who would have zero issues with lying about how impartial they are. Here’s a hint, they’re not like us.
Being impartial doesn’t mean that you are midway between prosecution and defendant.
Impartial means that you will take the facts presented to you at face value and derive logical conclusions from those facts.
I loath trump… but if I was on the jury I would do my job and set aside my personal feelings and listen to the evidence presented by both side and make a decision within the confines of the law… if the prosecution gave charges they couldn’t fully prove or over reached I hate to say it I’d have to find him not guilty even though I know morally he fucked up but it’s the states job to have competent prosecutors that do their job well. I truly hope the prosecution does a stellar job and gets a conviction and I hope those in the jury take it seriously and set aside personal feelings and listen to the facts.
I think there are lots of people who have a strong belief in justice regardless of their ideology. Being impartial does not mean you have no foreknowledge of the case but means your willing to make a decision based on the evidence alone. Lots of infamous people are tried and convicted even though their case was quite public.
The problem is I believe there will be a much higher possibility of people with a hard political conviction that will attempt to hide that bias just to get on the jury. And they might. People willing to ignore evidence even if God himself came down and testified.
You raise a very good point. I think they should be able to use “innominate jury” (anonymous jury) so that the public and the defendants are not able to know who they are. I don’t know how common it is in RICO cases but it wouldn’t supprise me if this will be used in these cases.
