You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn’t more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn’t perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.
Can confirm it’s a shitty metric. I once saved the company I was working at few millions by changing one line of code. And it took 3 days to find it. And it was only 3 characters changed.
That’s the curse and blessing of our profession: efficiency of work is almost impossible to measure once you go beyond very simple code.
You can feel like a hero for changing three characters and finally fixing that nasty, or you can feel like an absolute disgrace for needing days to find such a simple fix. Your manager employs the same duality of judgement
I feel like a hero in this particular case, it was a bug in a code that was written when I was still too young to even read. And no one knew how to run it. We didn’t have access to the pipelines so no one knew how to build it and how to run it. It was a very obscure hybrid of C and PHP. I basically had to be the compiler, I went line by line through the whole codebase, searching for the code path that caused the error. Sounds easy enough, right? Just CTRL+click in your IDE. Wouldn’t it be a shame if someone decided that function names should be constructed as a string using at least 20 levels of nesting where each layer adda something to the function name and then it’s finally called. TL;DR it was a very shitty code.
But did you add 3 characters? Gotta bump up that code count bruh.
Nope, removed 3, added 1.
I wrote a program that does nothing but busy loop on all cores. stylist_trend/Linux is my favourite OS.
Then this:
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No, he doesn’t. He suggests that there are Linux systems with no GNU code, like one I’m replying from, and whether “no” meant “no SLOC” or “no instructions spent executing” or “no packages” absolutely doesn’t matter.
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Been running a Linux based os for coming up on two years. I still definitely do not care about this.
Been running a Linux based os for coming up on twenty years. I still definitely do not care about this.
Ubuntu: “Linux”
Fedora: “Linux”
Arch: “Linux”
Gentoo: “Linux”
Slackware: “Linux”
Debian: “Free Operating System”There’s more truth to that than most people realize: Linux is only one kernel option in Debian:
Debian: “Libre Operating System”
FTFY
Lifree
Freebre?
But the compiler is GNU!
If you compile windows with GCC is it gnu/windows?
I honestly never cared about this, it’s the first time I write something about that, but any Linux-based OS is made of countless different software. What limits the number of names to two? Why can’t I call my OS OpenVPN/Gnu/Linux, then why not Wayland/OpenVPN/Gnu/Linux? That would be crazy. A single recognizable name is what makes it.
Furthermore by definition an operating system is an interface between userspace applications to the hardware, hence the operating system should be just Linux.
Not shitting on GNU at all, but this push for calling the OS Gnu/Linux seems futile
Furthermore by definition an operating system is an interface between userspace applications to the hardware, hence the operating system should be just Linux.
It gets more complicated with microkernels, though because you literally can’t run anything without some important processes running in userspace.
SystemD/Linux
I ca GNU
I mean I don’t think there must be a heated debate about it you know. You can call it GNU because you probably value more GNU, some others call it GNU/Linux and some Linux. It’s okay as long as it’s understandable
True
There are distros with GNU, like alpine.
So, how’s Hurd doing these days? If they want their own operating system, maybe they should release version 1.0 of their kernel.
This is why Windows users don’t switch.
I used Linux for many years, I still run it for my personal projects. I’m sure it’s not everyone but damn the community is toxic as hell to newbies. If something doesn’t work it’s your fault. Don’t know what flatpak is? You’re an idiot. How do I use X? Don’t use X it sucks but also I won’t provide alternatives. Linux just works now open up terminal and type these flags to mount your external drive correctly so other programs can see it.
I love the power and customization but it’s a confusing world at times with unhelpful people.
I mean X does suck. Unfortunately, it’s still the better choice sometimes. At least Wayland is clearly better than the other X.
X in my post was meant to mean anything, as in unknown. But I see the confusion in regards to the window manager haha
This has been pretty much my experience with every time I’ve gotten the “Linux” itch…
It’s so bad that most of the time googling doesn’t help because the top twenty results are just someone else getting shit on for asking the same question.
If you’re asking how to do something, and most of the responses are “why would you want to do that?” It means you can’t do it.
So instead of “why would you want to do that” they can say “you can’t do that and here’s why but you can do this”
Some guy got mad at me for referring to linux as GNU/Linux in a post clearly making fun of him for being a huge shit head to someone earnestly trying to do something on Linux and failing. Never address any of the criticisms, just called me an idiot and a liar. SOME linux users are their own worst enemy if they want wider adoption.
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The same program (
echo) implemented in different operating systems (and the GNU version).Implementation is the actual code with the logic that does the thing you want it do, as opposed to the command, which is how you tell the system what it should do.
The command can be the same on multiple OSs, but the implementation can be different.
In case of Linux and the coreutils (which are the basic programs you need beside the kernel to make a functioning system, stuff like mkdir) the most common implementation of all the coreutils is the one made by GNU. Stallmann did a lot of work on that so he wants credit for making a big part of the OS.
Well, no surprise they have more lines of code. And that’s even if you disregard printing help.
That’s how they get more lines of code.
Take a look at Alpine, Void, and (most importantly) Chimera Linux.
holds up linux os without gnu software WHATS THIS THEN HUH?!
Gnun’t/Linux
GNL (GNU isn’t Linux) / Linux
Gnu+Linux+Arch+KDE
Does GNU userspace even make the top-3 Linux userspaces?
The shortest proper name is GNU.
Inb4 Alpine, which is just called “Linux” internally.
People use terrible words in CS and engineering in general. Doesn’t mean we don’t challenge them.
I mean, GNU wants to be called an operating system but it can’t talk to hardware.
Linux want to be called an operating system but it’s a kernel.
if only there was a way to combine these two…
With a / obviously
And hardware can’t talk to it. Has it ever occurred to you that there’s more at stake here? That companies feel the need to lock away hardware in order to drive their profit line.
At least GNU has something interesting to say about computer science. And for what it’s worth, it’s telling to know that you woild rather disparage GNU rather than the purposeful decisions made by executives and manufactuers to render both hardware and software undocumented and subjugating.
But no! That’s “unfixable” and we need to learn how to “deal with it.” God forbid anyone makes a ruckus about it. Freedom for me but not for thee in this fast paced economy.
You picked the status quo and are now complaining that people reject the status quo.
I feel like you misunderstood. Operating system has many functions, one of the most important ones is talking to hardware. GNU cannot do that because that’s the kernel’s job. And the kernel is Linux. So they claim they’re an operating system but can’t do the most fundamental thing an operating system needs to do.
Well by that token Linux can’t claim to be an OS either, since as your own comment mentions it only performs one function of an OS.
What? GNU has a kernel, it’s called Linux!
no. gnu does have a kernel. But it’s not linux. it’s called gnu hurd. It is actually about a year older than linux. It isn’t finished, and barely anyone uses it
GNU has both Hurd and Linux, very powerful indeed!
just, no. linux is simply not a gnu project. at all.
If it were, we wouldn’t be hearing about them wanting to call it gnu/linux because, in their own words, the os is “gnu with linux added”
they’d just want to call it gnu.
a very quick google search could have told you that
