Summary
Sheryl Crow announced on Instagram that she is selling her Tesla and donating the proceeds to NPR, citing concerns over Elon Musk’s leadership.
NPR is under political scrutiny, with Republican lawmakers and FCC Chairman Brendan Carr launching investigations.
Crow’s move is a protest against Musk’s influence in government and Trump’s efforts to defund public media.
Who would buy a Tesla now, especially a used one.
For the MAGA heads who still like Musk, a Tesla does not roll coal enough. For those who would buy an EV, Tesla is a burned brand.
This binary view is neat and tidy but wrong. There are a lot of enthusiasts for whom a Tesla is still a desirable car both for capabilities as well as status. I would not be surprised to see its sales keep dropping, but reports of its death are all gonna be premature.
As far as a used Tesla, once we agree that a market for Teslas still exists, then that’s all dependent on the price.
OP: Who would
That’s a question, not a binary view. You’ve made a strawman attack, intended or not.
For the MAGA heads who still like Musk, a Tesla does not roll coal enough. For those who would buy an EV, Tesla is a burned brand.
You’re reframing a generalized one to many statement as a literal one to all statement. OP isn’t attempting to claim that no one would possibly buy a Tesla, But that the primary sources of ownership in the market are both equally uninterested in purchasing.
There are obviously still people taking ownership of Cybertrucks even now.
As far as a used Tesla, once we agree that a market for Teslas still exists, then that’s all dependent on the price.
Moving those goal posts on out there are we? You made a straw man that OP said 0 market, and now you’re 'proving that argument you made wrong, and are going to slide out the argument you made yourself that there is a market therefore you’re right.
then that’s all dependent on the price.
What happens when the market for a given price fails to match the cost to produce something?
The only thing that will save the company in the medium term would be for him to divest from it and leave it alone, or funnel tax money from government contracts to keep it floating.
They are the most undesirable manufacturer in the US by a long shot right now.
reddit moment
We’ll see, if he comes back and cherry pics a single argument. ;)
If it was within my budget I would buy a used Tesla. They’re pretty decent cars. The idea that your car should communicate your values or identity is Bourgeois ideology that I fully reject.
When you look at the number of recalls they are doing, I wonder where your “pretty decent” rating comes from.
Within the budget of a used Tesla Model 3 are a lot of better cars. Jaguar I-Pace, Mustang Mach-E, Hyundai EV5, etc. pp.
I guess it depends on how much used Tesla are going for. If enough people want to get rid of them the price should keep falling.
The idea that your car should communicate your values or identity is Bourgeois ideology that I fully reject.
There’s a huge difference between just giving in to Amazon’s convienience and using their platform, compared to supporting a company whose CEO is a literal nazi… HUGE difference
That’s not to say that buying from Amazon is anyway ethical, but at least they aren’t literal nazis
I mean I was talking about a used car sale, which doesn’t financially contribute to the company. It bothers me that people object to simply owning a Tesla (not buying) to the point that they feel like they have to get rid of one they already have. This mentality speaks to a sickness of identity which ties ones indicators of belonging to a commercial brand. I am not even talking about consumer choices like whether to shop at Amazon. I am talking about publicly visible choices like clothing, cars, watches. To suggest that these should communicate ones political alignment or disalignment is to buy into the idea of brand as identity.
More Tesla owners need to follow suit. Get rid of those Swasticars.
So i should sell mine with a loss (still have a loan on it), and if I want a car with the same distance, I’ll have to take out another loan? No, thank you. I’ll stick with my FUCK ELON MUSK sticker I got made.
I’ve been seeing people advocating ruining random Teslas and it’s pissing me off. Do people think rightoids make up the majority of EV early adopters? Fucking think about it before you go off spray painting swastikas onto innocent people’s cars holy shit.
I’ve been seeing people advocating ruining random Teslas and it’s pissing me off.
All Teslas? No. But if someone’s driving a cybertruck, they know who they were buying into.
Americans shit all over Japanese cars and their drives for decades after Pearl Harbor…so, sell it or deal. I’m sorry about the stress and financial part but Emerald Elmo is not someone you want to directly support if at all possible.
I’d go right back to a Honda if they had a good EV option comparable to my Model 3 that wasn’t too expensive. My Model 3 is almost paid off, was looking forward to no longer having a payment. And their current EV options are lackluster, like most manufacturers. Instead Honda has been fucking around with Hydrogen bullshit for years and insisting it’s going to be a thing in the US just like Toyota.
I don’t give a shit about the luxury aspect and that’s 90% of the EV market. If they just made a Civic EV I’d buy one tomorrow, instead all they have is the Prologue now. And that’s actually made by GM, effectively a Chevy Blazer that’s badged as a Honda.
Fr I was quite disappointed when I found out about the prologue and that it is just a GM.
Eh, I have a Chevy Bolt and I love it.
Sooo question. Can you leverage your car as a trade in? Or is it not worth it because you still have a loan? I’m no longer looking for a car, but there was a time where you could basically get out for about the same price you got in for
You absolutely can. It’s whether your upside down on the loan or not if it’s worth it to trade in.
I’m in a position to trade in my current vehicle for more than I bought it for, but I can’t get anything similar to it for a decent price to make it worthwhile to me.
Great question, I’ve which I cannot answer, as I honestly haven’t thought about that. However, the demand of Tesla’s are decreasing really fast here in Denmark, so I’m not sure if I could get a good deal. However, I will check it out next week! Thank you 🙂
Definitely look into it, you never know what you might be able to get for it. I worked with a girl in high school many years ago who somehow managed to trade in 3 cars in a row for more than she paid for them. She managed to pay off the loan on each one and get a better car out of the deal than the one she traded in, and it still shocks me enough that I still remember it to this day.
I really appreciate the fight. But please don’t put yourself in the red or anymore in the negative over Adolf Musk.
I just hope you realize how spineless that comes off to some people.
“I will criticize but I WILL NOT be inconvenienced!” lol
GIVE ME CONVENIENCE OR GIVE ME DEATH
I DO NOT WANT TO BE INCONVENIENCED, I NEED TO DRIVE IN THE CAR A NEO-NAZI MADE BUT ITS OKAY BECAUSE I SPENT $4 ON A BUMPER STICKER MADE BY SOMEONE CASHING IN ON THIS TREND!
I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME IN A 1942 VOLKSWAGEN WITH A “I DIDN’T KNOW HITLER WAS A BAD GUY WHEN I BOUGHT THIS” BUT IGNORE ME! IT’S NOT MY FAULT I WASN’T AWARE OF THIS INSANE PERSON’S ACTIONS FOR DECADES!
I’M ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS HERE, YOU SEE? I ONLY GAVE MONEY TO SOMEONE WHO’S CURRENTLY TEARING APART MY NATION’S GOVERNMENT! I’M NEUTRAL TO EVEN GOOD HERE!
If you have a sticker, I’m cool with you. And I say some nasty shit about Tesla owners.
I’ve never seen a sticker in my town. I give them all dirty fucking looks. Fuck those people. I’ve stopped letting them in during traffic… And I let EVERYONE in.
“Swasticars” 😭
Why though? Is the buffoon going to magically lose money when you sell your car?
This won’t hurt his billionaire ass at all, just the poor schmuck that owns the car
Its one less tesla someone else is buying fron them. Flood the market with preownes teslas
This will hurt regular people a lot not that it so every hurt him.
Hes saying if someone buys a used tesla thats money not spent on a new one
Yes. And I’m saying that’s going to hurt regular people more.
A much better suggestion is to stop buying new Teslas. Let the current owners drive them in peace instead of hurting them
That people even have to try and justify ownership of existing Tesla shows that situation has gotten to a state where potential buyers are less likely to get them.
Stocks are based on future sales projections and a brand going toxic is not a great situation. A car suddenly turning from a regular vehicle to one that is now turning into political affiliation is not great for the average person who “wants to stay out of politics.”
Yeah, he already got the money for the car.
Her used Tesla is now competing against Musk for the next Tesla customer. And if too many people sell Teslas, the resale value drops which makes new Teslas even less attractive.
So he got her money, but she may have stopped him from getting someone else’s money.
Are you going to help me and others pay for a new vehicle them?
Nice to say but not all of us have the cash to just buy a new vehicle for political protest.
political protest.
You say potato, I say “not visually signaling support for a guy who gives nazi salutes, provides monetary aid to literal nazis, and is currently engaged in an active attempt to permanently end democracy in the US”.
Spoken like a Internet blowhard.
How long ago did you buy? Still enough Musk fanboys that either don’t care that he is a Nazi or support it. Likely able to sell it and buy an objectively better vehicle, if it is an actual concern.
I bought mine 2018 but I’m not going to be selling a perfectly working car, putting my family into more unnecessary debt right when inflation and stupid tariffs are knocking on our doors just to do absolutely nothing but some performative protest to appease a bunch of people on the Internet.
I bet most families that have bought Teslas are going to be doing the same, average people aren’t going to be just selling their cars for a protest, putting themselves into more financial strain.
But you do you Internet, I do wonder how many of those will actually put their money where their fingertips are, especially with all of these other companies who are kowtowing to this fascist administration.
Fair enough. That’s long enough of ownership that resale would likely be impacted. Getting into debt at this juncture would indeed not be recommended.
I used to want a Tesla so bad. Now it just doesn’t seem right.
Same but when the time came for a new car a couple years back and despite preferring a sedan, my partner and I decided to go with another manufacturer. At the time, Musk was still a POS but it was more because Tesla’s QA was questionable. Now that Musk is a full blown Nazi it gives me an excuse to swear off any company he profits from.
Want mine…? 😞
The hacking scene just doesn’t feel mature enough yet for it to outweigh the virtues it sends.
Now, every time I see a tesla, I assume it’s a white supremacist driving it.
I regularly see the same three on the motorway, I appreciate selling a car has costs, but owning one of them also has costs.
It’s funny how successful elon musk has been in conning liberals.
Same… In the early 2010’s they seemed like a dream.
Today, if I got one for free I’d sell it. If I couldn’t sell it, I’d set it on fire. I don’t consort with Nazi’s.
Kudos to Cheryl and I know several other Tesla that want to trade-in their cars because of Leon Hitler.
Kudos? She benefits financially from this little virtue signal.
First she’s going to pick up some new fans that will buy her music, plus the publicity also has monetary value to her. And secondly, because she donated the proceeds of the sale of the car to NPR, she gets to write off the donation from her taxes to benefit financially yet again. Nor does she need to worry about someone vandalizing her property, which would cost her money to repair.
Just another profitable day for a person with a $70 million net worth.
I don’t know her, but good for her. NPR is a valuable resource, but we should also do better in demanding their reporting quality to improve. They’ve been doing a lot of sanewashing, too.
She was a singer who got famous when she was featured on Kid Rock’s song Picture.
lol, people downvoting but that’s top notch.
She was famous way before that.
Brilliant execution.
You’re kidding right?
Everywhere I look I see ragebait
Them’s fightin’ words!
He’s Rick rolling, but your response is way better.
Haha I didn’t even check the URL preview. Damn that is a good Rick Roll strategy 😁
Word. I donated to my local NPR stations. Will do so again.
Fuck musk. Fuck trump. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
Great idea. Think I’ll donate to the local NPR now. BRB
Kick ass.
Never a good idea to partner with nazis over the long term.
And delete xitter. Might want to think about getting off Instagram, too. Cuckerberg is no better.
Cuckerberg is a new one. I call him fuckerberg.
Fuckerburg sounds too metal and hardcore for him.
Cuckerberg is no better
Really? Musk is busy right now purging minorities from government agencies. What exactly did Zuck did that makes it “no better” than that?
I agree, he’s not driving it like Musk, so not as bad, he’s just following the new government direction. He’s just a spineless sycophant, and he would switch opinions as soon as the government would change. Still, his changes to the meta apps have an even worse impact than Xitter, because those apps are actually used by a large part of the global population. DOGE’s impact of course is worse though.
Sold my Tesla and don’t miss it at all. I can’t imagine still driving it now. Just wish I never purchased it in the first place but I honestly didn’t know what I was supporting at the time.
He should sue her, like he did when companies didn’t want to advertise on twitter anymore.
I just want an electric car :( but the Tesla’s are too expensive.
I might end up buying Chinese cars
Hyundais are very good EVs
domestically you can get a base 2025 chevy ev blazer for around $27k while the ev rebate lasts. 300+ mile range with decent fast charging. I was really looking forward to getting one in the next 2-3 years but then dondi mcshytegibbon got elected and is killing not just the ev tax credit but the grant money to build out a dc fast charging infrastructure too. I might have to look at the plugin hybrid market instead when I really want to go fully electric.
Where I’m from it’s stupid to make your primary vehicle 2WD. Too bad.
Do they not plow snow in Canada or what’s up?
We get a lot of snow (and ice) in Estonia too, but so far nobody I know has had problems because of 2WD. Except those living in the countryside if you get like half a meter of snow overnight and have to get through it somehow without plowing it first. But then you’re better off owning a tractor or having good relations with your tractor-owning neighbor.
It helps that winter tires are mandatory and studded winter tires are allowed between about October and April.
I live in a city and my street is not plowed, nor many side streets. Also RWD vehicles slide out when they lose traction, unlike FWD which it’s less likely.
I live in a city in Canada where it’s too cold to snow a lot of the time and I agree with you that winter tires make a huge difference, but I love my AWD when there’s a big dump of snow or big ruts in the road. Guess it depends how well your roads are maintained.
Also extra non sequitur: have you played Disco Elysium? It’s made by some people from Estonia and it’s probably the best game I’ve ever played in my life.
Oh I love AWD too, but for the first several years of my driving career, I had FWD and RWD cars, never had any trouble even if roads were unplowed, unless there really was a freak snowstorm. Thing is, all roads get plowed here eventually, so it’s not like you’re going to have to drive through a week’s worth of snowfall. It’s one or two days at most.
On a daily basis, the most useful thing about AWD, really, is the ability to accelerate away much faster than everyone else when the light goes green. Then you won’t have tailgaters for a while. The most fun thing, however, is that drifting is somehow really different from RWD drifting.
As for Disco Elysium: I haven’t played it. I really wanted to play it, but I didn’t feel like pirating it and was broke when it came out. Working a dead-end job, etc. Now that the original creators have been driven out of the company, I don’t feel like paying for it, so I might pirate it after all, but now I have so little free time I still haven’t finished my first playthrough of Baldur’s Gate 3, which I started in August 2023.
I think I’ll download it, install it, start it up once just to see what it’s like, and then play it in a few months when I have more free time again. Might have to finally get a Steam Deck so I could play it in bed, as I already sit behind my computer screen for some 12-14 hours a day.
If you’re into Disco Elysium, you’ll be delighted to hear that executive producer Kaur Kender is a downright controversial figure. Started up writing really explicit and vulgar novels - controversial in their own right, but I don’t think he got in any legal trouble for that. It was just crime novels with sex scenes, detailed violence (IIRC), etc. But things got really heated when he wrote a novel involving CSAM. At no point did he condone it, nor were any children hurt, but he was censored for it. This really launched him into fame or infamy. I haven’t read the book, but to quote Wikipedia: The Finnish Pen described it as a “grotesque thriller” and an important book discussing taboos central to the entertainment industry, including death, serial murder, pornography, and pedophilia.
He was also acquitted for the CP charges, on the grounds of, well, free speech and the fact that no children were harmed and there was nothing graphic.
Around this time frame you could find him rapping with a bunch of other Estonian rappers, about legalizing weed, and the effect of fentanyl on our society. Because apparently it’s almost easier to get fentanyl than weed and it’s fucking a lot of people up - something I have no experience with personally.
Books from him that you might want to read: Independence day, Comeback. But no idea if you can even find them in English at this point.
We really need small, efficient, 4wd trucks on the market.
Domestically? But my country does not make cars :(
I just had to comment and tell you I laughed really hard at “dondi mcshytegibbon”
It’s sad because there are a lot of good people who work at Tesla. Elon is going to end up putting them all out of work at this rate.
Elon’s putting a lot more people than that out of work.
I always liked her, now I know why.
I wouldn’t want a Tesla even if someone gave me one for free.
I wouldn’t get a tesla at any price because I’m now stuck in a tesla ecosystem just like apple users are by and large stuck in the apple ecosystem.
Great, except NPR as been somewhat compromised by right wing influence for years. Reagan appointed a conservative to the head the board of NPR.
That was almost 50 years ago. Is it really a conservative outlet? Everything I hear from there seems to be of a pretty reasonably high tier
They’ve recently (since 2016 or so) have over-corrected after constantly being called “left wing” by Fox News and other bullshit outlets. It’s still relatively center, but they walk on eggshells regarding anything that might show perceived liberal bias.
I’d argue that’s every even moderately progressive major news outlet these days. Guardian’s pretty tame too
I would argue that would mean that they’re no longer “moderately progressive.”
The Guardian has been suspect ever since Glenn Greenwald showed his true colors.
Oh wow, I’m reading through his wiki page, and he starts off so promising… how did flip to Fox News to quickly
Dunno. Weird shit.
I’m pretty sure he left the Guardian (or was forced out) shortly after his heel-turn… But still, couldn’t help but feel burned. He was one of the two (I believe) journalists that were helping Snowden release his documents in a way that was digestible. What happened?
paranoid thought: someone got some dirt on him, and forced him to be their puppet
Young Turks still proudly progressive and have no problem calling things out for what they are.
