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the church was 1600 years old too
So Israel got away with bombing a hospital and Biden backing them so now chruch. Next will be a school so on and so on. Fuck Biden and fuck Israel. They want to commit genocide and using the first bombing as an excuse.
Already bombed a UNRWA school
UNRWA schools have been confirmed, by the UN itself, to store weapons in the past. It’s a known technique by Hamas to store military items in civilians infrastructure in order to maximize civilian damage.
Double Speak - (satire) The church was bombed to punish Hamas for bombing the hospital… (/satire)
Though to put on a serious hat for a second, forcing half the population to move, so you double the number of people in the south of gaza, just means there will be more civilians everywhere including “legitimate” military targets.
What happened to the whole roof knocking warning system?
Isn’t the Gaza hospital at the very least confirmed to have been a relatively minor explosion in the parking lot?
That was the latest that I saw. Not to excuse the rest of Israel’s actions. Really hard to discern the fake news and propaganda from reality on that one though. And it’s a moot point anyway. It’s blamed on Israel now, because that’s the story that is sticking.
For the Hospital bombing…
The TLDR is that it’s not enough visible damage to have been an Israeli bomb. The entire article is worth a read, Bellingcat actually does video and image analysis to figure out what likely happened.
As for the church bombing, Israel has taken responsibility for it, but are quibbling on the damage.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/20/gaza-church-strike-saint-porphyrius/
The Israel Defense Forces said in an emailed statement that a strike targeting a Hamas control center “damaged the wall of a church in the area” and that it is “aware of reports on casualties” and is reviewing the incident.
So Israel got away with bombing a hospital
Your evidence?
So Israel got away with bombing a hospital
If you’re going to just lead with things that are, at the very least, not at all clear facts, I’m going to have a hard time taking anything else very seriously.
The Order of St. George, an associated order of the church, issued a statement confirming the strike. “Archbishop Alexios appears to have been located and is alive, but we don’t know if he is injured,” the Order of St. George stated. The blast hit “two church halls where the refugees, including children and babies, were sleeping.”
For anyone else who doesn’t like Al Jazeera, here is an article they wrote 4 days ago about this very church being the last refuge for hundreds of displaced civilians who had nowhere left to turn. Thankfully it’s hosted on MSN, so it’s not fully taboo to read about the horrified people who were at their wits end trying to escape death and largely accepting the futility of the effort.
Any strike on the church “would not only be an attack on religion, which is a vile deed, but also an attack on humanity”, Father Elias said. “Our humanity calls us to offer peace and warmth to everyone in need.”
George Shabeen, a Palestinian Christian and a father of four sheltering in the church with his family, said they had nowhere else to go; their streets had been targeted by three Israeli air raids.
“Coming here saved our lives,” he told Al Jazeera. “During the night, we huddle together, Muslims and Christians, old and young, and pray for safety and peace.”If someone at the IDF read through some of this propaganda then maybe they wouldn’t have put a bomb right next to the church.
Oh well, everyone makes mistakes.
I personally would trust Al Jazeera (The international English speaking one) more than MSN.
Al Jazeera has biases, like every media organization, like Reuters, like the BBC, like the guardian. They’re supposed to be one voice in a choir of voices. The reporting is excellent. While they demonstrate their biases by what they cover, I’ve always found the reporting to be professional and excellent.
Bet they have proof Hamas did it.
More “totally legit audios” in Arabic spoken with Hebrew accents.
Unverified video after the bombing: https://streamable.com/rzajna
Washington post confirms video with Geo-location
Hard to see what’s what in there. I’d be interested in confirming or disproving Israel’s account:
The Israeli military told AFP that its fighter jets had hit a command and control centre involved in launching rockets and mortars towards Israel.
“As a result of the IDF [Israeli army] strike, a wall of a church in the area was damaged,” it said, adding “we are aware of reports on casualties. The incident is under review.”
Witnesses said the attack damaged the facade of the church and caused an adjacent building to collapse, adding that many injured people were evacuated to hospital.
If this is true, then you would think most of the church is still standing.
Lots of Christians dead for a church that’s “still standing”
The church is still standing. However, a wall was knocked down, and that was what caused the casualties.
It’s still fucked up and Israel is to blame, but it doesn’t appear to be a targeted attack on a church, like many are claiming. The target was the building next door.
To be fair to the IDF, The people who built the church really should have built it in a better place 1600 years ago if they knew that there were going to be legitimate targets in an adjacent building. Also, it’s not like Israeli intelligence could have known the church was filled with Palestinians who had nowhere left to run
From the Washington Post:
The Order of St. George, an associated order of the church, issued a statement confirming the strike. “Archbishop Alexios appears to have been located and is alive, but we don’t know if he is injured,” the Order of St. George stated. The blast hit “two church halls where the refugees, including children and babies, were sleeping.”
Given what we saw with the last IDF statement (doctored audio, inconsistent claims), and the last IDF statement (“totally dead babies!”), the IDF statement isn’t worth the air the sound travels through.
Absolutely, I won’t take the IDF’s account, I want confirmation. However before you commented with your video /u/stankmut@lemmy.world claimed that there were photos showing that the building in your video is the adjacent building. Presumably there are two halls that use the church wall that was collapsed. I’ve not disputed that the air strike damaged the church and caused unnecessary civillian casualties. I’m disputing that the church was targeted.
Furthermore, your video appears to show a part of the church, still standing.
The IDF lie through their asses, but that doesn’t mean everything they say is a lie. I’m after the objective truth, which requires considering all accounts and not dismissing them out of hand just because of the source. The best lies have elements of truth, after all.
Completely reasonable and still getting downvoted.
Far as Lemmy is concerned you need to take a very specific stance on this conflict, and any other reasonable and honest thread of thought is instantly rejected.
Fortunately upvotes and downvotes on Lemmy don’t mean much.
There are dead babies, and you can find the pictures of them if you like. I can’t comment on whether their heads are attached to their bodies or not because I value my sanity, but I really don’t think that detail matters all that much to the greater picture.
Can we ban articles from Al Jazeera commenting on Palestine? They’ve made it clear that they can’t be trusted.
