Ah yeah, 90% support for the government policy in a county where all the opposition is banned and the secret service disappears people who have wrong opinions.
It wouldnât be out of line if we assume the Donbass region was not included. After all, the average Ukrainian has had their life turned upside down by the Russian invasion and occupation. Like with Sweden and Finland, it would be natural to be attracted to inclusion in a treaty organization that would provide protection going forward.
Regarding the opposition, even the supposedly âpro-Russianâ parties had turned pretty anti-Russia once the invasion started. Iâm still mystified why there isnât more pressure from the nations backing the Ukrainian government to return to the principals of a liberal democracy. This is no time to resort to authoritarianism.
Literally about everything. Your claim that Ukrainians outside of Donbass are uniformly pro regime is not based in reality. This is likely true for parts of western Ukraine, but certainly not true for Ukraine as a whole. Especially places like Odessa or Kharkov.
Sweden and Finland are not gaining any actual protection going forward. In fact, theyâve put themselves in a much more dangerous position by renouncing neutrality. As many experts have repeatedly explained, the reason Ukraine is in the situation that itâs in is precisely because of its ambitions to integrate into NATO.
I strongly encourage you to read this report from the Royal United Services Institute in UK that clearly explains why NATO cannot offer any real protection to countries.
The reason there isnât any pressure from the governments backing Ukraine to return to âfreedom and democracyâ is because those governments do not give a shit about these things. The west has consistently propped up some of the most heinous regimes known to man.
The basic facts are entirely contrary to the statements you make.
Your claim that Ukrainians outside of Donbass are uniformly pro regime is not based in reality.
I claimed that itâs probable that the average Ukrainian, whose life has been put into turmoil by Russiaâs invasion, may not have many warm fuzzy feelings towards the government attacking their country and may be in favor joining NATO to prevent future attacks.
Especially places like Odessa or Kharkov.
Those cities have been bombed extensively by Russia as part of the invasion. Even if there was once much interest in those cities to chart a more pro-Russia course, I doubt there is much anymore. Just because a city has primarily Russian speakers doesnât mean they will love Russia when Russia rains bombs on their homes.
I strongly encourage you to read this report from the Royal United Services Institute in UK that clearly explains why NATO cannot offer any real protection to countries.
Itâs a good report, but it doesnât say that. It just says that for a longer haul war, the US especially is going to need to change its strategy around ammunition
I claimed that itâs probable that the average Ukrainian, whose life has been put into turmoil by Russiaâs invasion, may not have many warm fuzzy feelings towards the government attacking their country and may be in favor joining NATO to prevent future attacks.
You assume that out of ignorance.
Those cities have been bombed extensively by Russia as part of the invasion. Even if there was once much interest in those cities to chart a more pro-Russia course, I doubt there is much anymore. Just because a city has primarily Russian speakers doesnât mean they will love Russia when Russia rains bombs on their homes.
Itâs a good report, but it doesnât say that. It just says that for a longer haul war, the US especially is going to need to change its strategy around ammunition
What it very plainly says is that the west lacks industrial capacity for the kind of war that Russia is currently waging. If you donât understand that, then read the report again.
What it very plainly says is that the west lacks industrial capacity for the kind of war that Russia is currently waging.
The West currently lacks that specific industrial capacity. It could definitely shift production to counter Russia, especially as part of a longer war.
Then explain to me why Ukrainians would like being invaded and bombed relentlessly. Please, Iâm all ears.
The people themselves explain it in the video I linked. Hereâs the ethnic breakdown of Ukraine for you. People in the east consider themselves to be occupied
That guy is embedded with the the Russia army and goes on Infowars. He is simply an untrustworthy source, a propagandist.
The interview is just the people telling what they think. Imagine thinking thatâs propaganda as opposed to whatever youâre guzzling.
The West currently lacks that specific industrial capacity. It could definitely shift production to counter Russia, especially as part of a longer war.
No it canât, you canât create an industrial base overnight and anybody whoâs not an utter imbecile understands that.
People in the east consider themselves to be occupied
Now whoâs assuming?
The interview is just the people telling what they think. Imagine thinking thatâs propaganda as opposed to whatever youâre guzzling.
Has it ever occurred to you that those interviews can be faked? His Russian handlers tell him to head down a road, and lo and behold there is someone there to tell you about all the Ukrainian atrocities! I mean, sure itâs just a Russian soldier or separatist militia member that they stuck some civilian clothes on, but those are just details.
Iâm not assuming anything. This is what the people there say, and thatâs why weâre not seeing any actual resistance to LPR and DPR forces taking cities the way we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan when US occupied those countries.
Has it ever occurred to you that those interviews can be faked?
Has it ever occurred to you that you might be a victim of propaganda?
This is what the people there say, and thatâs why weâre not seeing any actual resistance to LPR and DPR forces taking cities the way we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan when US occupied those countries.
Iâm sure Mariupol welcomed the Russians as liberators! Well, whatâs left of it.
Has it ever occurred to you that you might be a victim of propaganda?
I try to keep a reasonable level of skepticism. But Iâm certainly not trusting an easily faked YouTube video from someone who is obviously a propagandist spouting Russian talking points.
Iâm sure Mariupol welcomed the Russians as liberators! Well, whatâs left of it.
Have you seen videos from Mariupol after it was taken? What you donât seem to get is that people from LPR and DPR are the ones doing most of the work on the ground, not Russia. These are people who live in these areas and theyâre not seen as occupiers.
I try to keep a reasonable level of skepticism.
You regurgitate pure propaganda in every one of your comments. According to you people like Chomsky are Russian propagandists.
Have you seen pictures of Mariupol before and after it was bombed to shit? Russia did that, there is no escaping that reality.
Yeah, stuff gets bombed during wars. The reality is that Russia dropped far less bombs than US has in any recent conflict.
The fuck? I disagree with Chomsky, but I never called him a propagandist. Patrick Lancaster and his ilk are propagandists.
Chomsky has exact same position I have on the war. Since you claim what I say is Russian propaganda, then Chomsky must be one by extension. What Lancaster reports is whatâs actually happening on the ground. You dismiss that because it doesnât fit your narrative.
No it doesnât my dear blueberry fart. Your comments and your map assume that the eastern part of Ukraine is mostly Russians and Russian speaking people, which is not the case. Or how does âmostly Russian speakingâ changes to 20.7% when looking at ethnicity? I would understand if some would feel âoccupiedâ if they were the majority. Thereâs only one place where that occurs.
Oh look at you little Ukraine understander there. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want there, but the reality of the situation is pretty clear. Imbecilic propagandists like you are going to have their work cut out for them going forward explaining whatâs happening. Your whole narrative is collapsing and itâs becoming more obvious by the day.
I think youâve been watching so much Russian-aligned propaganda about Ukraine that youâve hit the Dunning-Kruger effect. Youâre more than willing to call other people idiots, but it sounds like youâve been feeding for hours at the trough of outright Russian propaganda. Not news media with some bias, literal government propaganda. All governments involved do it to some degree, but it doesnât mean you have to accept it. At this point it seems like youâre not even considering whether youâre being manipulated, as long as the manipulator is aligned with Russia.
You should really take a look in a mirror someday. Everything youâve been claiming about the conflict has turned out to be false, yet here you are telling me with a straight face that Iâm the one suffering from Dunning-Kruger.
The facts are that western powers ran a coup in Ukraine that set the ground for the current events. Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014, and majority of the people in eastern Ukraine do not support western backed regime.
This regime never had a chance to win a war against Russia, and all western support for the regime is simply prolonging the agony for people in Ukraine. Useful idiots, such as yourself, are helping prolong western public support for this nightmare.
Maybe you should take your own advice and ask where you yourself are being manipulated, and why the war is not turning out the way you thought it would.
Everything youâve been claiming about the conflict has turned out to be false
Remember when you were claiming that it wouldnât happen at all? And I was more cautious, saying that it was too early to call it either way? Then Russia invaded.
The facts are that western powers ran a coup in Ukraine that set the ground for the current events.
No, they really didnât. I donât care how many times people post that one transcript, the 2014 overthrow was carried out by Ukrainians. The only public record shows that foreign governments had relatively minor involvement on the periphery.
majority of the people in eastern Ukraine do not support western backed regime
You sure? I know the Russian backed separatists claim this, but is this actually known to be true? Hard to tell when thereâs a combination of an occupying force and separatists that were armed by that force. Also, some of those cities in eastern Ukraine that youâre saying donât support the current government were just getting the shit beat out of them by Russia. Assuming that their support is entirely up to their ethnicity and native language seems a little presumptuous.
This regime never had a chance to win a war against Russia, and all western support for the regime is simply prolonging the agony for people in Ukraine. Useful idiots, such as yourself, are helping prolong western public support for this nightmare.
Well I want Russia to get hurt bad by this war. If theyâre not, theyâre just going to come back for more and more and more as evidenced by the weak response to Georgia and Crimea. I want this to be this generationâs Afghanistan, their US-Vietnam War. A war that makes a whole generation a little more hesitant to waltz across their neighborâs borders and start murdering.
Maybe you should take your own advice and ask where you yourself are being manipulated, and why the war is not turning out the way you thought it would.
I donât know how this war will come out. You frequently claim how itâs going to inevitably going to come out, but Iâve shied away from that. There are too many variables. And I know full well that people are trying to manipulate me, and sometimes I make mistakes.
Remember when you were claiming that it wouldnât happen at all? And I was more cautious, saying that it was too early to call it either way? Then Russia invaded.
Sure, I didnât think there would be a war. Iâve stated my reasons for that clearly.
No, they really didnât. I donât care how many times people post that one transcript, the 2014 overthrow was carried out by Ukrainians. The only public record shows that foreign governments had relatively minor involvement on the periphery.
Yes, they really do. Every serious person in the west including people like Chomsky, Mearsheimer, and now even Kissinger say this. The fact that you continue to deny this shows just how divorced from reality you are on your media diet of propaganda.
You sure?
Yeah, Iâm sure. My motherâs side of the family is from Ukraine, I know people who actually live in Ukraine. The fact that westerners like you who donât speak the language, and know nothing about the country continue bleating nonsense is incredibly infuriating to watch.
Well I want Russia to get hurt bad by this war
They wonât be. This is clear to anyone who understands anything about his conflict. On the other hand, the west is being hurt tremendously by this war already. You can keep dreaming of your fantasies, but as everything else you say, theyâre divorced from reality.
I donât know how this war will come out. You frequently claim how itâs going to inevitably going to come out, but Iâve shied away from that. There are too many variables. And I know full well that people are trying to manipulate me, and sometimes I make mistakes.
I simply follow what actual military, political, and economic experts say. None of them are shying from predicting the outcome of this.
Your facts are just plain wrong, and by repeating them from thread to thread, it only makes it more obvious that you are a victim of the eastern propaganda. And so deep in it that you cannot even see how black and white your thinking is. Itâs that, or you are getting paid to post this shit.
Actually the facts are entirely contrary to the statements you make. Itâs very basic propaganda to claim that Ukraine is not whole, when the reality is the only some of the eastern parts are outside of the major views. An usual propaganda tactic, trying to weaken the view of the common people about united Ukraine. That polarization is even more visible now after the invasion happened.
Also, claiming that NATO is not giving any extra protection is again a common propaganda argument, meant to spead confusion and doubt to the common people.
Again, it has been shown that nowadays being neutral is more dangerous than picking a side.
Trying to homogenize a diverse country with millions of people thatâs been in a civil war for the past 8 years is the only propaganda tactic here.
Again, literally no neutral country has been attacked. In fact, NATO has been the one attacking countries in the past 30 years, including Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Libya. Youâre a shameless liar.
Again, very common tactic to claim everything said against propaganda is⌠propaganda, when you havenât got any proof.
Howâs the âneutralityâ working with e.g. Moldova? It has been seen multiple times that being neutral means you get orders sooner or later not to join NATO.
You tried to homogenize Ukraine, and you can bleat all you want here, but everybody with a couple of brain cells to bang together understands youâre full of shit.
Meanwhile, not joining an aggressive military alliance is literally what being neutral means. Youâre so bad at doing propaganda.
And you try to support increasing the polarization. The best confirmation for your propaganda spreading is going directly to personal insults instead of facts. You failed to provide them again, concerning being neutral. Show me one country where that has worked or is still working?
I would be curious to see how well they were able to represent the totality of Ukraineâs population if weâre including the occupied regions. Those likely would have different characteristics. That said, I wouldnât be surprised if this more or less reflects the underlying sentiment fairly accurately, given that Russia has spent the last few months running tanks into Ukraine and indiscriminately lobbing missiles at shopping malls and apartment buildings.
Russia is blindly lobbing inaccurate Soviet-era missiles into the heart of Ukraine with the knowledge that theyâll be hitting tons of civilians. I donât know the exact thinking behind choosing that method of attack. Iâm not sure that air attacks make that much sense. Ukraine already did pretty well in repelling air attacks in the opening stages of the war, so I doubt Russia wants to risk expensive aircraft to surface-to-air defenses. But it definitely isnât making its victims have warm fuzzy feelings towards Russia, and this poll reflects that.
Artillery is not an exact science, if you believe the crap of surgical hit, you are very naive. Sure there are progress but you can still have 100m of error rate.
This wasnât 100m of inaccuracy. Russia shot artillery into Kyiv, into civilian residential areas. They shot into an area with a shopping mall, then lied about it being ânearly emptyâ.
What is the sample?
If youâll refer to my initial comment, I was expressing some doubt about this. Iâm guessing the Donbass and Crimea were not included.
Putin seems to be the best salesman for both EU and NATO.
Ah yeah, 90% support for the government policy in a county where all the opposition is banned and the secret service disappears people who have wrong opinions.
I thought your camp was all about secret police
Not much of a counterpoint is it?
Counterpoint to what?
To the fact that opinion polls in a country where nazis hold power and disappear people arenât worth the paper theyâre written on.
It wouldnât be out of line if we assume the Donbass region was not included. After all, the average Ukrainian has had their life turned upside down by the Russian invasion and occupation. Like with Sweden and Finland, it would be natural to be attracted to inclusion in a treaty organization that would provide protection going forward.
Regarding the opposition, even the supposedly âpro-Russianâ parties had turned pretty anti-Russia once the invasion started. Iâm still mystified why there isnât more pressure from the nations backing the Ukrainian government to return to the principals of a liberal democracy. This is no time to resort to authoritarianism.
You donât know anything about Ukraine. Full stop.
What am I wrong about here? Iâve got a few basic facts that Iâm using to make guesses that would explain how this outcome would be arrived at.
Literally about everything. Your claim that Ukrainians outside of Donbass are uniformly pro regime is not based in reality. This is likely true for parts of western Ukraine, but certainly not true for Ukraine as a whole. Especially places like Odessa or Kharkov.
Sweden and Finland are not gaining any actual protection going forward. In fact, theyâve put themselves in a much more dangerous position by renouncing neutrality. As many experts have repeatedly explained, the reason Ukraine is in the situation that itâs in is precisely because of its ambitions to integrate into NATO.
I strongly encourage you to read this report from the Royal United Services Institute in UK that clearly explains why NATO cannot offer any real protection to countries.
The reason there isnât any pressure from the governments backing Ukraine to return to âfreedom and democracyâ is because those governments do not give a shit about these things. The west has consistently propped up some of the most heinous regimes known to man.
The basic facts are entirely contrary to the statements you make.
I claimed that itâs probable that the average Ukrainian, whose life has been put into turmoil by Russiaâs invasion, may not have many warm fuzzy feelings towards the government attacking their country and may be in favor joining NATO to prevent future attacks.
Those cities have been bombed extensively by Russia as part of the invasion. Even if there was once much interest in those cities to chart a more pro-Russia course, I doubt there is much anymore. Just because a city has primarily Russian speakers doesnât mean they will love Russia when Russia rains bombs on their homes.
Itâs a good report, but it doesnât say that. It just says that for a longer haul war, the US especially is going to need to change its strategy around ammunition
You assume that out of ignorance.
Hereâs what people as they themselves put it.
What it very plainly says is that the west lacks industrial capacity for the kind of war that Russia is currently waging. If you donât understand that, then read the report again.
Then explain to me why Ukrainians would like being invaded and bombed relentlessly. Please, Iâm all ears.
That guy is embedded with the the Russia army and goes on Infowars. He is simply an untrustworthy source, a propagandist.
Edit: More from this video.
The West currently lacks that specific industrial capacity. It could definitely shift production to counter Russia, especially as part of a longer war.
The people themselves explain it in the video I linked. Hereâs the ethnic breakdown of Ukraine for you. People in the east consider themselves to be occupied
The interview is just the people telling what they think. Imagine thinking thatâs propaganda as opposed to whatever youâre guzzling.
No it canât, you canât create an industrial base overnight and anybody whoâs not an utter imbecile understands that.
Now whoâs assuming?
Has it ever occurred to you that those interviews can be faked? His Russian handlers tell him to head down a road, and lo and behold there is someone there to tell you about all the Ukrainian atrocities! I mean, sure itâs just a Russian soldier or separatist militia member that they stuck some civilian clothes on, but those are just details.
Iâm not assuming anything. This is what the people there say, and thatâs why weâre not seeing any actual resistance to LPR and DPR forces taking cities the way we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan when US occupied those countries.
Has it ever occurred to you that you might be a victim of propaganda?
That can be faked easily.
Iâm sure Mariupol welcomed the Russians as liberators! Well, whatâs left of it.
I try to keep a reasonable level of skepticism. But Iâm certainly not trusting an easily faked YouTube video from someone who is obviously a propagandist spouting Russian talking points.
Unlike the propaganda you consume presumably.
Have you seen videos from Mariupol after it was taken? What you donât seem to get is that people from LPR and DPR are the ones doing most of the work on the ground, not Russia. These are people who live in these areas and theyâre not seen as occupiers.
You regurgitate pure propaganda in every one of your comments. According to you people like Chomsky are Russian propagandists.
Have you seen pictures of Mariupol before and after it was bombed to shit? Russia did that, there is no escaping that reality.
The fuck? I disagree with Chomsky, but I never called him a propagandist. Patrick Lancaster and his ilk are propagandists.
Yeah, stuff gets bombed during wars. The reality is that Russia dropped far less bombs than US has in any recent conflict.
Chomsky has exact same position I have on the war. Since you claim what I say is Russian propaganda, then Chomsky must be one by extension. What Lancaster reports is whatâs actually happening on the ground. You dismiss that because it doesnât fit your narrative.
Hereâs another map for you. Itâs nice when you have so many options you can pick from Google! :)
And before you LMAO again, let me point you that ethnic map is very different thing for ethno-linguistic map. Seems you confused them together.
That map supports what I said you dumb fuck.
No it doesnât my dear blueberry fart. Your comments and your map assume that the eastern part of Ukraine is mostly Russians and Russian speaking people, which is not the case. Or how does âmostly Russian speakingâ changes to 20.7% when looking at ethnicity? I would understand if some would feel âoccupiedâ if they were the majority. Thereâs only one place where that occurs.
Oh look at you little Ukraine understander there. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want there, but the reality of the situation is pretty clear. Imbecilic propagandists like you are going to have their work cut out for them going forward explaining whatâs happening. Your whole narrative is collapsing and itâs becoming more obvious by the day.
I think youâve been watching so much Russian-aligned propaganda about Ukraine that youâve hit the Dunning-Kruger effect. Youâre more than willing to call other people idiots, but it sounds like youâve been feeding for hours at the trough of outright Russian propaganda. Not news media with some bias, literal government propaganda. All governments involved do it to some degree, but it doesnât mean you have to accept it. At this point it seems like youâre not even considering whether youâre being manipulated, as long as the manipulator is aligned with Russia.
You should really take a look in a mirror someday. Everything youâve been claiming about the conflict has turned out to be false, yet here you are telling me with a straight face that Iâm the one suffering from Dunning-Kruger.
The facts are that western powers ran a coup in Ukraine that set the ground for the current events. Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014, and majority of the people in eastern Ukraine do not support western backed regime.
This regime never had a chance to win a war against Russia, and all western support for the regime is simply prolonging the agony for people in Ukraine. Useful idiots, such as yourself, are helping prolong western public support for this nightmare.
Maybe you should take your own advice and ask where you yourself are being manipulated, and why the war is not turning out the way you thought it would.
Remember when you were claiming that it wouldnât happen at all? And I was more cautious, saying that it was too early to call it either way? Then Russia invaded.
No, they really didnât. I donât care how many times people post that one transcript, the 2014 overthrow was carried out by Ukrainians. The only public record shows that foreign governments had relatively minor involvement on the periphery.
You sure? I know the Russian backed separatists claim this, but is this actually known to be true? Hard to tell when thereâs a combination of an occupying force and separatists that were armed by that force. Also, some of those cities in eastern Ukraine that youâre saying donât support the current government were just getting the shit beat out of them by Russia. Assuming that their support is entirely up to their ethnicity and native language seems a little presumptuous.
Well I want Russia to get hurt bad by this war. If theyâre not, theyâre just going to come back for more and more and more as evidenced by the weak response to Georgia and Crimea. I want this to be this generationâs Afghanistan, their US-Vietnam War. A war that makes a whole generation a little more hesitant to waltz across their neighborâs borders and start murdering.
I donât know how this war will come out. You frequently claim how itâs going to inevitably going to come out, but Iâve shied away from that. There are too many variables. And I know full well that people are trying to manipulate me, and sometimes I make mistakes.
Sure, I didnât think there would be a war. Iâve stated my reasons for that clearly.
Yes, they really do. Every serious person in the west including people like Chomsky, Mearsheimer, and now even Kissinger say this. The fact that you continue to deny this shows just how divorced from reality you are on your media diet of propaganda.
Yeah, Iâm sure. My motherâs side of the family is from Ukraine, I know people who actually live in Ukraine. The fact that westerners like you who donât speak the language, and know nothing about the country continue bleating nonsense is incredibly infuriating to watch.
They wonât be. This is clear to anyone who understands anything about his conflict. On the other hand, the west is being hurt tremendously by this war already. You can keep dreaming of your fantasies, but as everything else you say, theyâre divorced from reality.
I simply follow what actual military, political, and economic experts say. None of them are shying from predicting the outcome of this.
Your facts are just plain wrong, and by repeating them from thread to thread, it only makes it more obvious that you are a victim of the eastern propaganda. And so deep in it that you cannot even see how black and white your thinking is. Itâs that, or you are getting paid to post this shit.
LMFAO
Actually the facts are entirely contrary to the statements you make. Itâs very basic propaganda to claim that Ukraine is not whole, when the reality is the only some of the eastern parts are outside of the major views. An usual propaganda tactic, trying to weaken the view of the common people about united Ukraine. That polarization is even more visible now after the invasion happened.
Also, claiming that NATO is not giving any extra protection is again a common propaganda argument, meant to spead confusion and doubt to the common people.
Again, it has been shown that nowadays being neutral is more dangerous than picking a side.
Trying to homogenize a diverse country with millions of people thatâs been in a civil war for the past 8 years is the only propaganda tactic here.
Again, literally no neutral country has been attacked. In fact, NATO has been the one attacking countries in the past 30 years, including Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Libya. Youâre a shameless liar.
Again, very common tactic to claim everything said against propaganda is⌠propaganda, when you havenât got any proof.
Howâs the âneutralityâ working with e.g. Moldova? It has been seen multiple times that being neutral means you get orders sooner or later not to join NATO.
You tried to homogenize Ukraine, and you can bleat all you want here, but everybody with a couple of brain cells to bang together understands youâre full of shit.
Meanwhile, not joining an aggressive military alliance is literally what being neutral means. Youâre so bad at doing propaganda.
And you try to support increasing the polarization. The best confirmation for your propaganda spreading is going directly to personal insults instead of facts. You failed to provide them again, concerning being neutral. Show me one country where that has worked or is still working?
LMAO
Iâm just imagining spidermanpointing.jpg reading this thread.
This is right after Ukraine banned the main opposition party and seized all their assets. Democracy!
You are mixing Ukraine to the invader country? Itâs only logical to smoke the enemy out.
Looks like nobody is buying your bullshit here.
With ânobodyâ you probaby mean your downvote puppet army. Doesnât really matter, does it? :)
Yeah that must be it.
Hard to believe these numbers, coming from a country that is in a state of civil war since 2014.
I would be curious to see how well they were able to represent the totality of Ukraineâs population if weâre including the occupied regions. Those likely would have different characteristics. That said, I wouldnât be surprised if this more or less reflects the underlying sentiment fairly accurately, given that Russia has spent the last few months running tanks into Ukraine and indiscriminately lobbing missiles at shopping malls and apartment buildings.
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Russia is blindly lobbing inaccurate Soviet-era missiles into the heart of Ukraine with the knowledge that theyâll be hitting tons of civilians. I donât know the exact thinking behind choosing that method of attack. Iâm not sure that air attacks make that much sense. Ukraine already did pretty well in repelling air attacks in the opening stages of the war, so I doubt Russia wants to risk expensive aircraft to surface-to-air defenses. But it definitely isnât making its victims have warm fuzzy feelings towards Russia, and this poll reflects that.
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This wasnât 100m of inaccuracy. Russia shot artillery into Kyiv, into civilian residential areas. They shot into an area with a shopping mall, then lied about it being ânearly emptyâ.
If youâll refer to my initial comment, I was expressing some doubt about this. Iâm guessing the Donbass and Crimea were not included.
It amuses me to see the Americans and their puppet states (NATO) giving their opinion, basically repeating what their government says.
Lamentablemente Estados Unidos y Ucrania ya ganaron la guerra de propaganda.
Fake news
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