Found this article on HN comment thread. Really nice read!
It clearly shows problems in 2015 and made accurate predictions that in 2020 things would be even worse…

Had to fetch an archived cus the images weren’t loading on the live website.

  • @MarcellusDrum@lemmy.ml
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    53 years ago

    While I agree a lot of websites are needlessly bloated, its just the way the modern web works. If you try to make a website of significant complexity, you’ll find yourself either using a framework, or slowly making one of your own unintentionally.

    I think combating UI bloat on websites is more important than combating size bloat.

    • TmpodOPA
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      63 years ago

      If you try to make a website of significant complexity, you’ll find yourself either using a framework, or slowly making one of your own unintentionally.

      I know. However, this is not really talking about those complex webapps, but rather about informational or mostly text websites that are absurdly heavy and bloated nowadays. The usual example is cooking recipes websites - the content here is mostly just text and images, yet they pull all sort of extra elements, fancy scripts, not-so-fancy-but-actually-harmful scripts and so on. This is needless.1 Other great examples are news websites, which are infamous for being stupidly slow.

      This isn’t (just) about minimalism, not having many animations, etc. I think those are great in some contexts, but I’m mostly fine with them anywhere if they are used properly. I’d say the real issue here are illiteracy/incompetence when making a website (not compressing images, fonts, etc), the pointless scripts that are harmful to the users and the impact this has on people with worse connections than us.
      Let’s not forget that us, developers, tend to have better equipment than the average user, and thus are more prone to not noticing the effects that inefficient software has on the final users.


      1 So much so, that you see initiatives such as based.cooking which, of course take extreme positions, but show perfectly well how bloated the usual places are.

      • @MarcellusDrum@lemmy.ml
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        63 years ago

        Yeah I agree, text based websites, especially news sites, have no excuse being this bloated.

        Let’s not forget that us, developers, tend to have better equipment than the average user, and thus are more prone to not noticing the effects that inefficient software has on the final users.

        Great point that I didn’t think about before.

        • TmpodOPA
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          33 years ago

          Yeah it’s very easy to forget. I have fallen to that “illusion” myself too.

      • Dessalines
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        43 years ago

        Also surprisingly a lot of those flashy animation-type things are surprisingly small. Its mainly the tracking and analytics javascript bundles that you see sites like medium insert into every page that makes them hugely bloated.

        • TmpodOPA
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          43 years ago

          Yeah true! It’s honestly baffling sometimes how faster a page can load if you block stuff with uBlock or smth similar. Specially noticeable on mobile…

    • @pinknoise@lemmy.ml
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      53 years ago

      make a website of significant complexity

      How many websites are of “significant complexity”? How many of those need to be so complex? And how many of those need to be a website?

      • @MarcellusDrum@lemmy.ml
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        Mainly pop-ups. Overly complicated “Consent cookies” windows, “subscribe to mail list”, pressing “next page” multiple times, autoplayed videos, things like that.